Eagle Creek Oregon Fire

[Lilhigbee]

Sorry but I don't feel sorry for the kid/kids at all after hearing the interview of the lady who saw these kids do it and her saying how the kids were laughing and didn't seem to care what they had done.

Yes, their apparent attitude puts it in a different light than I was viewing it in in my earlier post(24).

 

[EPS]

I just saw a thing about that 747 global super tanker it's called it can drop more than twice as much water or retardant than any other fire plane can drop a line of retardant over a mile and half long can be reloaded in less than 30 min cost about 125.000 dollars a day to run it OH YES AND THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS IT'S SITTING IN A HANGER IN SACRAMENTO CALIFORNIA BECAUSE THE U.S.F.S DONT WANT TO USE IT MMMMMMMMM

 

[11Charlie]

I just saw a thing about that 747 global super tanker it's called it can drop more than twice as much water or retardant than any other fire plane can drop a line of retardant over a mile and half long can be reloaded in less than 30 min cost about 125.000 dollars a day to run it OH YES AND THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS IT'S SITTING IN A HANGER IN SACRAMENTO CALIFORNIA BECAUSE THE U.S.F.S DONT WANT TO USE IT MMMMMMMMM

I would imagine that in a bird that big you would need good visibility to fight a fire. Wonder if that has anything to do with it? Last thing you would want is to have that thing crash into the mtn side.

 

[Garg]

That's what I have heard, that it is too smokey for that specific aircraft to safely fly, because of the visibility.

 

[EPS]

It has more to do with government red tape than anything they used it for the first time in the U.S.in California but it was used in Chile and Israel to fight fire 's cal fire used it to make 21 Drops last month

 

[EPS]

I would imagine that in a bird that big you would need good visibility to fight a fire. Wonder if that has anything to do with it? Last thing you would want is to have that thing crash into the mtn side.

Could be I wonder what the smoke situation was on the first day of the fire when it probably could have been put out with two flights

 

[jbett98]

The USFS has a budget problem and that big bird costs a lot per day. I recently read that the USFS spent over 1.9 billion fighting fires last year and with even more fires this year they are looking at spending half their budget on fire suppression alone.

Check out the link below to see what they've spent each since 1985


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...ts.pdf&usg=AFQjCNFdgAIl2LXodaKn3NkyUM6kxXfBfQ

 

[01rednavigator]

I don't buy the crap about the super tanker not being able to fly do to low visibility and that the Gorge is to hard for the plane to safely fly in.

You know the pilots are rigorously trained to fly in heavy smoke and are trained for these types of terrain. I would bet you anything that if you asked one of the pilots that they would say they can do it.

It's just another case of the government being completely stupid.

 

[Garg]

It's just another case of the government being completely stupid.

that.. my friend, I would not doubt for a new york second....

 

[ArgentineSteel]

I don't get what the hell was going through the little tards head and his stupid friends, what were they like "hey guys lets go hiking in the dry woods and play with fireworks, nothing bad could happen"

Don't get me wrong, when I was a kid and teenager I liked to blow stuff up and play with fireworks and I'm sure most of the other guys on here did to.

But I would have never gone up into the woods to play with fireworks!

The times that I did play with fireworks or blowing up some models I always had a bucket of water and the area always got massively hosed down because I knew I would have gotten in deep sh!t if I did start a fire.

Vancouver outlawed all fireworks this year. Not surprising some brainless teens had extra fireworks and no where to light them.
Why this doesn't happen more is the big question

 

[Gaucho Gringo]

The USFS has a budget problem and that big bird costs a lot per day. I recently read that the USFS spent over 1.9 billion fighting fires last year and with even more fires this year they are looking at spending half their budget on fire suppression alone.

Check out the link below to see what they've spent each since 1985


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi-pr2VuZHWAhVMzmMKHXBdDYkQFgg8MAQ&url=https://www.nifc.gov/fireInfo/fireInfo_documents/SuppCosts.pdf&usg=AFQjCNFdgAIl2LXodaKn3NkyUM6kxXfBfQ

It would help their budget if they could sell more timber and it was dedicated for forest use only.

 

[Lilhigbee]

Sorry but I don't feel sorry for the kid/kids at all after hearing the interview of the lady who saw these kids do it and her saying how the kids were laughing and didn't seem to care what they had done.

Hey Junior!! You ever contemplate suicide?? It might be your best option.

Some dumbazz on the radio was complaining about the fire ruining their "playground." I got news for ya. It was one of your kids on your "playground" that destroyed an area that a lot of people call home.

 

[Hop Sing]

It would help their budget if they could sell more timber and it was dedicated for forest use only.

The Willamette, Siuslaw, Hebo, Alsea and other FS Districts are doing this with what they call forest stewardship grants. Part of every timber sale money goes back into the forests for on the ground projects. It takes a lot of bookwork and organizational ability but it's working and can be a model for other places.

 

[Gaucho Gringo]

Hey Junior!! You ever contemplate suicide?? It might be your best option.

Some dumbazz on the radio was complaining about the fire ruining their "playground." I got news for ya. It was one of your kids on your "playground" that destroyed an area that a lot of people call home.

The animal rights people are strangely quite about the wildlife that is suffering the fire.

 

[ob1]

I don't buy the crap about the super tanker not being able to fly do to low visibility and that the Gorge is to hard for the plane to safely fly in.
You know the pilots are rigorously trained to fly in heavy smoke and are trained for these types of terrain. I would bet you anything that if you asked one of the pilots that they would say they can do it.
It's just another case of the government being completely stupid.

Bravo !

That's like saying you can't send a submarine someplace because it gets too wet there !

Obviously they are not going to be flying below ridge elevation, that's what the smaller point planes are for. The other thing they don't mention is that the retardant / water mix is varied based on the planned drop altitude, to control dissipation.
Can someone please name a forest fire that was VFR ? We aren't talking about old PBY's & A-26's here. These 747's are no doubt packed with GPS and terrain mapping hardware that could rival military aircraft.

The other thing that gets me about this. We have the State of Oregon {beloved Kate} and the USFS aka the Federal Government {the Donald} as the players in this.

Could you imagine the phone call ?

Ring..Ring..Ring......" Uhhh, Hello Donald...This is Kkate, You know Oregon ? "

"Just wanted to say I'm sorry about all those silly comments I've been making about you this year. Yeah the incompetent thing...I know, sanctuary cities...You know I wasn't serious right ? Well the thing is we have a fire out here that we weren't really prepared for and we could really use some of those big fire planes ...you know like Air Force One ?....Hello...Hello Donald ?

 

[Lilhigbee]

I would like to address the fishermen (and women) on the site with the story of an unsung hero you probably won't hear about anywhere else. His name is Mark Traynor and he is the manager of the Cascade Fish Hatchery on Eagle Creek, a mile or less from where the fire started. Jeannie and I were in the area Saturday evening when we realized the fire was near the hatchery. On our way home we stopped to see if Mark needed a hand evacuating. We found him with his most valuable personal belongings packed and ready to go, but him actively running the hatchery. Earlier in the day he had sent the rest of his crew out of harms way so he was by himself. We encouraged, nay nagged, him to pack the rest of his stuff and leave but he was more interested in making sure the hatchery was okay. We literally watched the fire crest the ridge and begin moving down the hill towards the hatchery.
Mark had made provisions for the fire crews to use water from one of the fish ponds for fire-fighting if necessary. In doing so he had to make a few changes to keep everything else working. After the Level 3 evacuation notice came no one was allowed back in to help him and he hasn't left yet, except to move his boat across the freeway to a, hopefully, safer location. We have talked to him each night and he continues to maintain the hatchery. He is now four days without sleep and still working.
For now the millions of fish in his care are okay. While they are still not out of the woods due to possible pollution of the hatchery water supply and other issues, they are currently viable due to one man. Those are the fish you will be trying to catch in about four years.
The fish release you heard about on the news was at the Bonneville Hatchery, ironically the place Mark took his boat for safe-keeping.
The next time you are headed east on I84, stop off at exit 41 and say "Thanks".
Also a huge Thank You to the fire crews who kept the hatchery from burning while Mark kept it running.

 

[EPS]

I would like to address the fishermen (and women) on the site with the story of an unsung hero you probably won't hear about anywhere else. His name is Mark Traynor and he is the manager of the Cascade Fish Hatchery on Eagle Creek, a mile or less from where the fire started. Jeannie and I were in the area Saturday evening when we realized the fire was near the hatchery. On our way home we stopped to see if Mark needed a hand evacuating. We found him with his most valuable personal belongings packed and ready to go, but him actively running the hatchery. Earlier in the day he had sent the rest of his crew out of harms way so he was by himself. We encouraged, nay nagged, him to pack the rest of his stuff and leave but he was more interested in making sure the hatchery was okay. We literally watched the fire crest the ridge and begin moving down the hill towards the hatchery.
Mark had made provisions for the fire crews to use water from one of the fish ponds for fire-fighting if necessary. In doing so he had to make a few changes to keep everything else working. After the Level 3 evacuation notice came no one was allowed back in to help him and he hasn't left yet, except to move his boat across the freeway to a, hopefully, safer location. We have talked to him each night and he continues to maintain the hatchery. He is now four days without sleep and still working.
For now the millions of fish in his care are okay. While they are still not out of the woods due to possible pollution of the hatchery water supply and other issues, they are currently viable due to one man. Those are the fish you will be trying to catch in about four years.
The fish release you heard about on the news was at the Bonneville Hatchery, ironically the place Mark took his boat for safe-keeping.
The next time you are headed east on I84, stop off at exit 41 and say "Thanks".
Also a huge Thank You to the fire crews who kept the hatchery from burning while Mark kept it running.

As someone who loves to fish and my brother and my sister's husband and his family all make there living in the fishing industry that's is a great story thanks to him for his dedication to his job

 

[Captain O]

@Mikej you are on the right track. I would add in his parents and the friends' parents to the program, add a LONG probationary period afterwards, and a lifetime commitment to be a volunteer fire fighter for forest fires. There are currently about 600 people putting themselves in danger cleaning up after this little azzhole, no reason he and his can't do the same.

Throw his little white @$$ out on the fire line and see what happens? Charge the little miscreant with Felonious Arson and drop his butt in a hole for the next 10 years, working on land reclamation.

 

[ob1]

Good on you and Jeannie for stopping by to check on him.

As for Mark. what could be said ? He is obviously part of a breed that is becoming hard to find these days..wow. If it's the hatchery I am thinking of, it's right at the foot of the trail leading up to the punch bowl..talk about staying at ground zero !

 

[jsparks747]

Here's the back steps of my house.