Did Garand Thumb change your go-to caliber? AKM vs M4 video

[Koda]

You just killed your YT career before it even started… well done!

Well I guess I wont be quitting my day job then...

 

[Paolung]

6.5 Grendel FTW

 

[Koda]

6.5 Grendel FTW

far superior round than the 556 or 762

 

[osprey]

One must consider the entire system not just the cartridge or the weapon. I think. For example, you could say the 6.5 grendel is ballistically superior to the 5.56x45 for many purposes, and I would not argue. However in the AR15 it is not optimal as it makes the the bolt much more prone to failure. I have now broken one lug and one extractor shooting 2500 rounds or so or 7.62x39 through an AR. I love the combo for rec use but it would not be optimal for something you had to rely on to function correctly over thousands of rounds. I think Stoner and Kalashnikov both got it mostly correct and with proper projectile choice both weapons are still viable today.

 

[Koda]

I think Stoner and Kalashnikov both got it mostly correct and with proper projectile choice both weapons are still viable today.

I think the AK is a formidable weapon but the one disadvantage is its lacking a way to mount most optics directly to the barrel assembly.

 

[osprey]

For the effective range of the 7.62x39 no optics are required. If desired the side rail on the receiver provides a plenty rigid mount for a low power optic and the task at hand.

 

[The Heretic]

For the effective range of the 7.62x39 no optics are required. If desired the side rail on the receiver provides a plenty rigid mount for a low power optic and the task at hand.

There are also a number of gas tubes that provide optic mounts for many AKs - the key is to find one that provides a tight fit or otherwise is a fit/mount that doesn't move.

When I was younger, I was able to hit human sized targets with an AK, at 500 meters, about 50% of the time, standing off hand. I wouldn't want to be inside that range with someone shooting at me with an AK or an AR.

 

[osprey]

Although my vision is not as sharp as it once was, you would not want me shooting at you with irons at 500. I have not practiced with irons at that range in a long time but I still can regularly hit a 12" plate at 300 using irons with either weapon.

 

[Koda]

with the amount of drop with either of the two I cant imagine shooting 500yds with irons.

 

[AshWilliams]

For the effective range of the 7.62x39 no optics are required. If desired the side rail on the receiver provides a plenty rigid mount for a low power optic and the task at hand.

I run Ultimaks on all my AKs. They hold zero great.

 

[Member 53328]

LMAO

 

[Member 53328]

with the amount of drop with either of the two I cant imagine shooting 500yds with irons.

We did it in the Marines to qualify. 500 meters with irons on a M16. Now they all get Acogs…..

 

[DunRanull]

What were your takeaways from the last video comparing 7.62x39 to 5.56? Changing up your defensive plans because of it? I for one was surprised at the lackluster performance from the 8M3 projectile.

AKM vs M4

I didn't watch the vid cuz I don't need a repeat of what Ive known for decades.

 

[JTK1791]

I didn't watch the vid cuz I don't need a repeat of what Ive known for decades.

What that 769x39 is superior?

 

[osprey]

I run Ultimaks on all my AKs. They hold zero great.

I have an ultimak on an ak pistol for mounting a rds and it seems to hold zero just fine as well.

 

[The Heretic]

with the amount of drop with either of the two I cant imagine shooting 500yds with irons.

Generally the rear apertures have two settings - near and far.

 

[DunRanull]

This^

Uncle Sam spent a lot of time and money training me how to use a 5.56 AR. It's what I know, it's what I'll stick to. I'll keep my opinions on AK fanboys to myself.

Uncle Ho spent a lot of time, money and lives teaching me to use the 7.62x39 AK. One could do worse when push comes to shove on Afghanistan's plains...

 

[DunRanull]

While 15 grains is the modern recommended loading from many modern vendors...
Colt , back in the day when the 1851 Navy came out suggested a loading of 20 -25 grains.
And while that don't seem too different...it does work well and provides more "Oomph " so to speak....
Andy

15 grains is for the puny among us

 

[DunRanull]

Huh. I got here by reading the "Garand Thumb" subject line. Yet, I see no discussion of same.

Actually, if I'm not mistaken, soldiers who carried the M1 Rifle referred to it as, "M1 Thumb."


Yes, we'll never know the actual effect unless we have live, human bodies to shoot at. Which I hasten to add, I'm not advocating for hobby or research purposes. Those transparent, life-sized Visable Man dummies look expensive, don't they?

I've had M1/M1A thumb several times in my checkered career. I don't recommend it...

 

[gmerkt]

I've had M1/M1A thumb several times in my checkered career. I don't recommend it...

Over the decades that I've been a gun fancier, I've had probably 20 or more M1 Rifles. Of those rifles, I'd guess that about 3/4 of them the bolt wouldn't slam home on it's own, they needed a slight bump on the op rod hook most of the time to get the first round into battery. Yes, some would slap right home and you had to watch what you were doing. But those were well in the minority,.

Yes, I grease the action as recommended.

M1A / M14 Thumb, I've never had that issue what with the handy removable magazine.

When I think about it, maybe there is a wear factor that increases the tendency for the bolt to slap home on its own. I've always tried to get rifles in the best condition, nice frosty Parkerized finish, and avoided the rack grades that might've been very well worn-in.

Where I've had minor issues was with loading partial en bloc clips.