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If it doesn't start with a 4.... it's too small a hole~
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If it doesn't start with a 4.... it's too small a hole~
If it doesn't start with a 4.... it's too small a hole~
I would not carry anything less than a 9MM +P, personally. .380 does not exactly have a great rep for dropping 300 lb meth or crack heads. It's a backup caliber
Not obsolete, too small.
In 1995, the Texas Highway Patrol became the first government agency to deploy a firearm utilizing .357 SIG cartridge.
The SIG-Sauer P229 in .357 SIG has been adopted for use by agents and officers of the following organizations:
United States Secret Service,[2]
Bureau of Industry and Security,
Federal Air Marshals,[2]
Delaware State Police,[2]
Rhode Island State Police,
Virginia State Police,[2]
Richmond City Police, Virginia,
Bastrop County Sheriff's Office,
Alameda County Sheriff's Office,
Montana Highway Patrol
The Tennessee Highway Patrol presently issues the Glock 31 pistol chambered in .357 SIG. The Mississippi Highway Patrol issues a (Glock 31 Generation 4) with their logo engraved on the weapon.[21][22] The Bedford Heights Police Department in Ohio currently issues the Glock 31/32/33. The Elloree Police Department in South Carolina Elloree Police also issues the Glock 31, .357 SIG and the Madison Police Department in Madison, WV issues the Glock 32 in .357 SIG. The Lexington Police Department in North Carolina issues the Sig P229 DAK in .357 Sig. The Oklahoma Highway Patrol issues the SIG-Sauer P226 in .357 SIG. The Paramus Police Department in New Jersey also issues the SIG P226 in .357 SIG. The West Grove Borough Police Department, West Grove PA, also carry the SIG-Sauer P226 in the .357 SIG caliber. The North Carolina State Highway Patrol uses Smith & Wesson M&P's chambered in .357 SIG. The Herculaneum (Missouri) Police Department uses the P226 and P229 in .357 SIG.
If I had my choice, I would carry an AR-15 loaded with 5.56 72gr HP rounds. Since, I am denied my constitutional right, I am stuck with a handgun. In that case, I think the 9mm with 124gr +P is the minimum of defense rounds. I do carry a snubby, which is .38 +P in my pocket as backup, but certainly would not want to have to rely on it, in anything but the most dire of situations, where I am without my M&P.
I would say get a good pancake style holster or something else that fits you and carry a full sized 9mm and up handgun. IMO, there is really no reason not to carry a full sized gun and those who say it is too hard to carry, just have not been creative enough in their concealment technique. Even if it is 100F, I am packing my full sized S&W M&P 9 and I am feeling nice and cool and nobody thinks twice that I am packing.
If you are unfortunate to work a job with some type of dress code, where concealing a full size gun is impossible, then I would check out the Ruger LCR .38 +P with CT grips. I bought that gun and really love it. It is very lightweight and its thin design obscures printing with the proper holster.
Why can't you carry a rifle? There are no laws against CCing or open Cing a rifle are there?
Not in Montana, but I don't know if open carry of a rifle is legal in a town or city in Oregon. With that being said, I am yet to see any person open carrying a rifle in Portland. My thoughts are, it is a good way to end up dead or in the back of a patrol car. Yeah, I know we should be able to do it and maybe on paper, we can do it, but in reality, if we try to do it, there will be major trouble. Just think about it, a guy walking around town carrying an AR-15. How many 911 calls, will there be, with frantic people screaming a crazy guy on a rampage with a gun, etc, etc. I think that open carry with a holstered sidearm would draw less attention or create less of a stir, because people are used to seeing police, security personnel, etc carrying weapons like that. Most likely, people will consider such a person involved in law enforcement. Now, if we were living in rural Montana, or even rural Oregon, perhaps toting around a rifle or shotgun on your back isn't such a big deal. But, I assume most people who are interested in conceal carrying would do so because they are travelling within an urban area where exposing a gun would draw undesirable attention.
I wish, however, that people could freely carry their rifles with them anywhere they go, even if it is downtown Manhattan. Sadly, we live in a police state with moderate restrictions. Not as bad of a police state as other countries, but a police state, nonetheless. Even, the letter of law, doesn't always apply when you are at the mercy of a corruptible jury and law enforcement officer who are ignorant of the laws that are suppose to protect us. Somebody posted a recorded audio of a person who tried to practice his 2nd Amendment rights of open-carry in Philadelphia, where it is perfectly legal. He was held at gunpoint, harassed and even had charges filed against him by the Phildelphia Police Dept. How constitutional is all of that? He complied with every demand , but was made a criminal, even though he committed no crime. The only criminal would be the officer and the Philadelphia PD who decided to circumvent both the federal and state laws.
Pray tell us, where should the "trolls" ask a caliber question if not a gun forum? Perhaps at a Brady Campaign love fest sing along.
Hey PlayboyPenguin,
I thought that was a pretty nice video for what it was. You made some good points that are often overlooked by the big-caliber-knock-em-on-their-asses-in-one-shot crowd.
Ninety five percent of assailants, upon having a 22LR round enter their flesh are going to be largely disabled through a combination of pain and terror. Of the remaining five percent that keeps running toward you as you keep pumping moderate-caliber rounds into them, by the time they get to you, you're going to have a distinct leg-up on them as they half heartedly pummel you while bleeding to death in your arms.
Another element of my thinking is that there are two distinct time periods for concealed carry. There's pre SHTF and post SHTF. Face it, in spite of the languishing economy, the poop has not yet hit the fan. Indeed, they say that violent crime is down relative to a few decades back - though it's hard to know who to believe. I don't expect to have running gun battles with outlaw gangs of mutant zombie tweekers this year, but maybe five years from now. While I'm happy to presently carry my S&W 642 and nothing else, in the future that weapon may serve as backup to a Glock 22 or more. In the future, I may walk the streets in a trench coat and have a shotgun leaning against the wall in every corner of the house. So let's enjoy the final days of relative calm (before the storm) and not split hairs over calibers.