CCW and Weed Card?

[Flymph]

I'm going to catch you on the one thing about alcohol prohibition, that turned out well last time... Public mass shootings that weren't politically motivated began to occur, and poorly made alcohol resulted in many deaths. Denatured alcohol still kills people to this day!

A lot of anti depressants have been linked to the rapid development of severe schizophrenic episodes, so has a lot of mind altering substances.
There are quite a few people that don't need the help of a mind altering substance to behave dangerously.

Moral of the story is that it is unlikely that you will have to explain to somebody why you're smoking weed and have firearms unless you do something stupid.
If you want weed, find somebody who grows in your community and get it from them, or grow yourself. That way you can still apply for a tax stamp on an SBR suppressed MP5 or whatever... maybe a select fire BAR... avoid trouble with your CHL?

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Like most things in life this issue could be avoided if :
One thinks things through , before acting on them...
Keeping low profile on activities that some may consider questionable...
Avoid places , folks and actions that bring about unwanted attention to yourself...

Please note that I am not saying to go out and break and or ignore any law....And yes I know that I said "if" and "think"...within the same post...
Andy

 

[John Brown]

I would disagree as it's not quite the same as being gay or practicing a religion. It's totally illegal by federal law and can ruin your life if you allow yourself to be caught up in it. Until the federal government deems it a legal drug it's the business of law enforcement to administer judicial enforcement. Owning a firearm and habitually using a mind altering drug is dangerous for you and those around you. Same with alcohol, a habitual drunkard should not possess or even own a firearm in my opinion. A firearm is something that requires sound judgement anytime it's in someone's possession or even accessible. It may sound old fashioned but "weed" is still "dope" in my opinion.

The only "dopes" are those who still think this way. It's not 1980.

 

[RicInOR]

Alcohol is a drug that has proven to make people violent and its intoxicating effects have resulted in more unnecessary firearm related deaths than almost any other substance on this Earth.

I don't disagree with your points. But we don't have a government issued card to access booze. At least no prescriptions I have heard of (in the recent days)

 

[wired]

I don't disagree with your points. But we don't have a government issued card to access booze. At least no prescriptions I have heard of (in the recent days)

And you don't need a government issued card to access marijuana. I don't know why anyone in any of the West Coast states still uses those things. It was a good scam when you couldnt buy it legally in stores but there is absolutely no reason to use them now. I think there might be a provision where you get it cheaper with a card. I don't know but if you are smoking so much volume that you have to get a medical card to keep your weed expenditures down yeah, maybe you shouldnt be using the stuff and if you cant stop maybe you shouldnt have guns. Casual users I could give a crap about but the guy who smokes an ounce or more a month I'd have reservations about.

In any case you can have one or the other. A medical card or a CPL.

 

[No_Regerts]

And as long as you are never involved in a shooting, you're ok.

 

[wired]

And as long as you are never involved in a shooting, you're ok.

How often is a court order issued requiring a UA or blood test after a self defense shooting in states where it is legal to use Marijuana when the use of said marijuana is not in play at the time?

Lets say last Tuesday my brother comes over. We spark one up and get 3 shades of blotto on the couch. Today I go down to the the minute mart in Yakima and it gets robbed while I'm there. The thief shoots the clerk and I shoot the thief when he turns around and points the gun at me. Hey, its Yakima and that sort of thing happens here. What are the odds that the D.A. is going to get a court order demanding that I get a U.A. or blood draw? I dont have any weed on me and I'm not high at the time but I'd still come up hot on the pee test. Could it happen? Sure, a lot of stuff could happen. Will it happen? No.

 

[No_Regerts]

How often is a court order issued requiring a UA or blood test after a self defense shooting in states where it is legal to use Marijuana when the use of said marijuana is not in play at the time?

Lets say last Tuesday my brother comes over. We spark one up and get 3 shades of blotto on the couch. Today I go down to the the minute mart in Yakima and it gets robbed while I'm there. The thief shoots the clerk and I shoot the thief when he turns around and points the gun at me. Hey, its Yakima and that sort of thing happens here. What are the odds that the D.A. is going to get a court order demanding that I get a U.A. or blood draw? I dont have any weed on me and I'm not high at the time but I'd still come up hot on the pee test. Could it happen? Sure, a lot of stuff could happen. Will it happen? No.

Just depends on the totality of the circumstances.

 

[PiratePast40]

The whole thing is about hypothetical situations. It's predicated on pot making an imaginary person go on a killing spree. The second issue is the assumption that a person using or possessing pot has no God given or constitutional right to self defense or to the defense of their family.

Or, to simplify, it's the attitude of "I know what's best for you and will make sure you do as I say". Some call it socialism, communism, fascism, or liberalism.

 

[No_Regerts]

The whole thing is about hypothetical situations. It's predicated on pot making an imaginary person go on a killing spree. The second issue is the assumption that a person using or possessing pot has no God given or constitutional right to self defense or to the defense of their family.

Or, to simplify, it's the attitude of "I know what's best for you and will make sure you do as I say". Some call it socialism, communism, fascism, or liberalism.

Its just another example of how far the 2A has gone down the toilet. No substantive reason for pot to make someone a prohibited party. Alcohol is a drug and as long as you are responsible, youre good. Pot should be the same way.

 

[gozoner]

Form 4473 states:
"Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?

Warning: The use or possession of marijuana remains unlawful under Federal law regardless of whether it has been legalized or decriminalized for medicinal or recreational purposes in the state where you reside."

It states quite plainly "Are you". It does not say "Are you or have your ever been ...". It does not say, in spite of the 'warning', "Are you an unlawful user of or in possession of ..."

If you are not a (current) user, you answer 'no'. If you possess some card, now or in the past, but are not a (current) user, you answer 'no'. Use your judgement for 'current' - certainly if something is found in your system then you will be deemed a current user.

 

[kott0n]

I read it at is "unlawful", meaning against the law where you currently are. You sign form the while being in WA state, last time I checked it was a WA state form and in WA state it is legal, assuming over 21. So answering "No" to do you "Are you an unlawful user of marijuana is accurate."

This is in regards to WA CCW form.

I don't consume.

 

[Mecanik]

I read it at is "unlawful", meaning against the law where you currently are. You sign form the while being in WA state, last time I checked it was a WA state form and in WA state it is legal, assuming over 21. So answering "No" to do you "Are you an unlawful user of marijuana is accurate."

This is in regards to WA CCW form.

I don't consume.

It is "unlawful" in all 50 states under federal law. It is not "legal" anywhere regardless of the the lack of state restrictions against its use. The lack of a state law does not nullify a federal law.

 

[The Heretic]

It is "unlawful" in all 50 states under federal law. It is not "legal" anywhere regardless of the the lack of state restrictions against its use. The lack of a state law does not nullify a federal law.

Correct.

People keep coming up with this "but it is legal under state law" argument. Wishful thinking on the part of some. State law, as a general rule, does not supersede federal law with regards to making some act/etc. legal, only with regards to making something illegal.

Maybe someday we will get enough people in positions of power in WA DC to make it legal/decriminalized/whatever under federal law, but probably not while Trump is in power.

 

[wired]

Theres a slew of federal laws the states refuse to enforce. Thats a good thing. If you are a habitual follower of laws good for you.

 

[joken]

It's sad that so many people are denied the opportunity to use MJ for actual medical conditions. There is plenty of testimony available from people that had stage 4 cancers and are alive years later after dosing with MJ extracts. It can give relief to a large number of physical and mental conditions. If I was given a prognosis of impending death, I'd sure try it. The evidence is not all anecdotal either. I have tried smoking it, but I have a low tolerance and the high is unpleasant.

 

[The Heretic]

Theres a slew of federal laws the states refuse to enforce. Thats a good thing. If you are a habitual follower of laws good for you.

It isn't the state that enforces most federal laws.

Now granted, even under Trump, marijuana is not a priority - yet. May not be - may just be a talking point.

However, it pays to not ignore federal law when it comes to guns. Feds may not be interested in a little bit of personal pot, but if for some reason a person gets caught with both guns and pot, they might decide that this would be a good opportunity to make an example of someone, and it is another charge that they can pile on top of other charges. At the least, a person could easily lose their gun rights for life.

 

[The Heretic]

It's sad that so many people are denied the opportunity to use MJ for actual medical conditions. There is plenty of testimony available from people that had stage 4 cancers and are alive years later after dosing with MJ extracts. It can give relief to a large number of physical and mental conditions. If I was given a prognosis of impending death, I'd sure try it. The evidence is not all anecdotal either. I have tried smoking it, but I have a low tolerance and the high is unpleasant.

I have chronic pain that is low to medium grade due to spinal injuries. I can't smoke anything due to GERD, but CBD oil (good quality oil anyway would maybe work and it has low amounts of THC (that causes the high). But CBD is illegal too per federal law. I think this is as much about big pharma as anything else; just saw where FDA approved synthetic marijuana for a big pharma corp.

Just the same, I don't really need it right now - OTC painkillers work most of the time for me and it isn't worth the risk to me.

 

[wired]

Its about the risk level youre willing to carry. Some folks have little stomach for that sort of thing. If I lived in Idaho id have state sanctioned home built silencers on my garage door, toaster, every gun I own. Its a risk to rrward thing based on tbreat level.

 

[The Heretic]

Its about the risk level youre willing to carry. Some folks have little stomach for that sort of thing. If I lived in Idaho id have state sanctioned home built silencers on my garage door, toaster, every gun I own. Its a risk to rrward thing based on tbreat level.

Yeah - I am very risk averse