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Believe it or not? Homeland Security ammo stockpiles

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by lostbackpacker, Feb 15, 2013.

  1. lostbackpacker

    lostbackpacker marysville,wa Member

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    WASHINGTON (AP) — Online rumors about a big government munitions purchase are true, sort of.

    The Homeland Security Department wants to buy more than 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition in the next four or five years. It says it needs them — roughly the equivalent of five bullets for every person in the United States — for law enforcement agents in training and on duty.

    Published federal notices about the ammo buy have agitated conspiracy theorists since the fall. That's when conservative radio host Alex Jones spoke of an "arms race against the American people" and said the government was "gearing up for total collapse, they're gearing up for huge wars."

    The government's explanation is much less sinister.

    Federal solicitations to buy the bullets are known as "strategic sourcing contracts," which help the government get a low price for a big purchase, says Peggy Dixon, spokeswoman for the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Glynco, Ga . The training center and others like it run by the Homeland Security Department use as many as 15 million rounds every year, mostly on shooting ranges and in training exercises.

    Dixon said one of the contracts would allow Homeland Security to buy up to 750 million rounds of ammunition over the next five years for its training facilities. The rounds are used for basic and advanced law enforcement training for federal law enforcement agencies under the department's umbrella. The facilities also offer firearms training to tens of thousands of federal law enforcement officers. More than 90 federal agencies and 70,000 agents and officers used the department's training center last year.

    The rest of the 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition would be purchased by Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the federal government's second largest criminal investigative agency.

    ICE's ammunition requests in the last year included:

    —450 million rounds of .40-caliber duty ammunition

    —40 million rounds of rifle ammunition a year for as many as five years, for a total bullet-buy of 200 million rounds

    —176,000 rifle rounds on a separate contract

    —25,000 blank rounds

    The Homeland Security ammo buy is not the first time the government's bullets purchases have sparked concerns on the Internet. The same thing happened last year when the Social Security Administration posted a notice that it was buying 174,000 hollow point bullets.

    Jonathan L. Lasher, the agency's assistant inspector general for external relations, said those bullets were for the Social Security inspector general's office, which has about 295 agents who investigate Social Security fraud and other crimes.

    Jones the talk-show host did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

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  2. Flopsweat

    Flopsweat Slightly right of center Well-Known Member

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    So how much of it is FMJ and how much is some sort of hollow point?
     
  3. Glock Jock

    Glock Jock Wilsonville , OR Well-Known Member

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    I believe all of the .40's are hollow point which is about 800 million. And it isn't the next several years, it has been going on for a few years including the next several years. If you want to know if it's true you should look up purchase orders, not news articles - unless the news article is going to produce proof (like purchase orders). The FOIC gives us the right to that info:

    https://marketplace.fedbid.com/fbwe...q5Ajq+RH6QAAAAAHeAAgAgTFCGg/FzzqQbJAAyVXBA0Or

    there is another on this page:

    » DHS To Purchase Another 750 Million Rounds Of Ammo Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!
     
  4. Pandaz3

    Pandaz3 Cornelius, Oregon NRA Lifetime Member Platinum Supporter Gold Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I have a goodly bunch of Hollow Point 5.56, it is what you will normally see on "Match Grade" ammunition. They are barely preceptable as a "Hollow Point" as the opening is so small. It's main purpose is aerodynamic. A small bubble of air develops which actually does a better job of separating the air in front of the bullet in flight (More consistent than a sharp pointed tip)

    Full Metal Jacket (FMJ) are required for military weapons by Geneva Convention (Which outlawed Dum-Dums, Hollowpoints, Soft Nose and other bullets) The Geneva Convention Rules do not apply to civil hunting, defense, or Law Enforcement organizations. They and we can use those nasty bullets to our heart's content.

    The Match Grade Hollow Points do not offer much in expansion like many of the Handgun hollow points rounds do. I have some Remington Golden Sabre .40 S&W rounds that have a massive cavity in front, Hornady with a much smaller, but still significant polymer filled cavity. I would expect much greater relative expansion from these handgun rounds.
     
  5. Flopsweat

    Flopsweat Slightly right of center Well-Known Member

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    Pretty sure the hollow point thing was Hague, not Geneva.