I agree. My comment is more aimed at people who think 45 is the hammer of Thor compared to my wimpy wonder9.
I tell them to put there money where their mouth is and at least carry 45 super .
I have been shooting Colt brand all copper hollow points for social work the last year or so. 185 grains @ 1040 FPS. They seem to be retaining well over 90% weight while giving tremendous expansion. I bought a few thousand rounds of them when J&G had them on sale.
That's My observation! I tested 18 different defensive loads when I was carrying my Colt Compact, most didn't expand, at those slow speeds, the few exceptions were the Hydro-Shok, 165 gr low flash compact .45 loads, and the Speer 165gr. Interesting was the Winchester PDX load, that one shouldn't have done well, but it did! The Hornady Critical Defence did open to about .56 and the Cor-Bon 180 tumbled at about 8 inches In! The lighter the bullet, the better they did, but in my mind, was to big a compromise between what a .45 should do, and what it does out of a compact. My current Commander seems happiest with the Golden Sabers 180 smoking along @930ish.
That's My observation! I tested 18 different defensive loads when I was carrying my Colt Compact, most didn't expand, at those slow speeds, the few exceptions were the Hydro-Shok, 165 gr low flash compact .45 loads, and the Speer 165gr. Interesting was the Winchester PDX load, that one shouldn't have done well, but it did! The Hornady Critical Defence did open to about .56 and the Cor-Bon 180 tumbled at about 8 inches In! The lighter the bullet, the better they did, but in my mind, was to big a compromise between what a .45 should do, and what it does out of a compact. My current Commander seems happiest with the Golden Sabers 180 smoking along @930ish.
The 10 MM with 180 Golden Sabers is flat out nasty, I'm seeing almost .94 running @1340ish, and the 200s running @1280ish expand almost identically. The 180s run to a depth of over 24 inches, and the 200s leave the blocks at 26 inches landing in a milk jug filled with sand! The bigger 220 gr Grizzly hp, opens at a depth of 16 inches, and keeps on trucking at a diameter of .87 for another 12 to 16 inches, it also smashes embedded Elk shoulder socket and knuckle and runs another 8 inches tumbling, but retains about 80% weight! This is in jell mixed to the FBI specs! One thing that impressed me with both bullets was the nose cavities would actually cut denim and even saddle leather and carry it with them, and it didn't seem to effect expansion! Another surprise was the buffalo Bore 220 gr solids at 1300 fps, those use a solid hard cast bullet with a small flat nose, they went in about 20 inches, expanded to .58 and stayed together! As good as that is, the energy is YUGE, the temp wound channel is massive, and the risks of over penetration were less then the lighter bullets! Only other tests I like that impressed me was .44 mag with a 240gr solid, and .45 Colt, also with a solid of 250 gr!
That's why these work so well against large bears! Interesting that they also seem to be consistantly able to expand in a relatively short distance given the weights and speeds, which would say they would probably also work for carry against two legged predators!
