Badge access for schools

[11Charlie]

My thoughts with the key card is the armed guards can lock down the school in a flash. Which would lock the perp in a specific area which might or might not be a good idea.

Great now I need to think about it. That might not be a good thing either.

 

[CoastRange57]

Until there are very specific process's and procedures set up with the idea of dealing with a worst case scenario, and planning and living to that plan will you have a level of security that protects people. Our schools are ran by people who have no real world idea of the fact there are bad people who will do bad things for no reason at all. They assume that because it is a school, nobody will mess with it.

Looking at most high schools, these buildings have a daily population of up to 3,000 or more people. Now anywhere is our society, if you have a a tight quarters grouping of 3,000 people you would have at least 2 armed police officers somewhere in that grouping. Because with a cross section of our society, if you have 3,000 people in one spot, there is going to be some kind of problem some time during the period those people are there. There will be a fight, a theft, and harassment or other crimes. and in extreme cases weapons issues.

Until you have armed security in every building with controlled access the risk will be there. How it is accomplished is a matter or schematics, and will take years to accomplish with all the political hand wringing that goes on.

 

[Oregonhunter5]

I think we are going to try and put together a homeschooling group with families from church. Creating a prison atmosphere for children to learn in, just to protect them from insecure losers isn't for me. But I do see the op point as well. We have 5 kids.

 

[Mistman]

In order for it to work the security/risk mindset needs to be instilled and taken seriously. It's totally doable and I think kids would embrace it if presented properly, they would have a stake in the security of the school, most would find that empowering. I wouldn't have a problem with an extra layer of security for my kids. If they had to be buzzed in by armed guards so be it.

Just try and get into one of the big corporations in the metro area. Everyone of the employees who wears a badge knows the consequences of improper use. I called out a tailgater one time, the situation ended up in HR, security was called in. For the next 18 months until the person was let go I was kept informed of anything that may have represented a threat. The person called the minority card on me and tied the hands of the employer. The day that person was let go I had security around me constantly and pretty regularly for the next couple months. All for asking to see a badge.

The Israeli example of armed school security works well, at some point it's just taken for granted. If I was told a bond measure was coming up to add security to our school district I'd most likely vote for it if I felt it was appropriate. I generally vote them down as I believe mismanagement is to blame for most cases of financial need in regard to the school district.

I think the bottom line in this case is we had everything in place to out this kid and EVERYONE dropped the ball. I don't know how one could justify anymore laws/rules/regulations when the ones in place were not followed. If they had been this wouldn't be a conversation today. Shows how messed up things really are......

 

[CoastRange57]

I called out a tailgater one time, the situation ended up in HR, security was called in. For the next 18 months until the person was let go I was kept informed of anything that may have represented a threat. The person called the minority card on me and tied the hands of the employer. The day that person was let go I had security around me constantly and pretty regularly for the next couple months. All for asking to see a badge.

In one of my management gigs I often got to try and straighten out various HR problems and management issues that became complex by the company not enforcing its own rules and procedures. These sometimes started with covert field investigations, progressed with surveillance, office investigations and finally due process and terminations.

These often involved drug use on the job, despite pre employment but no recurring testing, theft and conversion of company time and assets to personal use, and various forms of fing off. There was some on the job accidents that triggered investigations as well. We moved pretty fast when we started an investigation and due process, usually start to finish was less than 48 hours, and usually resulted in the termination of one to 5 employees, and in some cases criminal charges.

We had a process and we escorted the employees from the site, had LEO on standby and trespassed them from all company job sites. I was armed with 2 guns at all times in this job, known and blessed by the owners, and I usually had at least one other armed person, and we usually got the biggest SOB on the clean crew to stand by as well. It took about 9 months to get that particular mess cleaned out and about a 70% employee turnover. I was not a liked person by all these sh*tbags, but most of them had enough sense not to try anything, because I made it clear I was not someone they should mess with.

This type of thing is way more common that you might think, I have been involved in about a dozen of these over the last 15 years, and will probably be involved in a couple more this year. Anytime you have a number of employees, you will have these issues.