National ATF Director Admits to Having Loophole for Registry

[Yarome]

What was blatantly obvious as well was his implying those records are only on paper.... while extoling the hard work of legions of folks removing staples and flattening boxes and boxes of transaction records day in and day out.

For why would you need to remove stapled together documents from a 4473 and flatten them if not to bulk feed them into a scanner and OCR them into the database(?)

Stoopid enough to believe everyone else is as stoopid as you are seems to be a raging pandemic on the other side of the aisle.

 

[Rkangel]

They keep the records,had a local LEO at my door the other day,he said the ATF told him I bought a pistol in 2006 from a local shop,and did I still own it?I had sold it to a friend 11 years ago in a private party sale,turned out someone found it by the roadside,no crime attached to it,and they just wanted to make sure the rightful owner got his gun back...I called him,and turns out he had been looking for it,he got it back,no issues...We have 2A friendly LEOS around here,but it was scary that they had 17 year old transaction records at the ATF..

And now you know why they hate 80% so much.

 

[Bobbygun]

For why would you need to remove stapled together documents from a 4473 and flatten them if not to bulk feed them into a scanner and OCR them into the database(?)

Oh ye of little faith. I'm quite sure it was to feed them into a shredder. Am I right?

 

[Loc]

How did it wind up along the side a road?

Did he maybe lay it on top of the vehicle, forget it and drive off?

I've done exactly that. Lucky for me, it was on private land in the middle of nowhere and I was able to go back and retrieve the weapon. Had some minor cosmetic damage from dropping off the roof at speed, but nothing that couldn't be fixed. Lesson learned: Slow is smooth, smooth is fast. Even when simply putting your weapon away after use. SMDH...

 

[kirkcdl]

He thought he had just misplaced it at home,last time he remembered handling it was getting out of his truck...The officer had a photo and it looked like it got ran over,scratched all to hell...As a former RSO I chewed on him a bit about being more aware...For those wondering it was a CZ 82...

 

[Old Dog]

What was blatantly obvious as well was his implying those records are only on paper..

You mean you also don't believe the retailers that use computerized 4473s aren't on any kind of network, and that info doesn't find its way out of the store, to the cloud... or any government network?

 

[CamoDeafie]

You mean you also don't believe the retailers that use computerized 4473s aren't on any kind of network, and that info doesn't find its way out of the store, to the cloud... or any government network?

The Internet was developed by DARPA. No doubt all online data is trawled through by Govt agencies all over the world

 

[Flopsweat]

The Internet was developed by DARPA. No doubt all online data is trawled through by Govt agencies all over the world

If they can track every email they can track other stuff too.

 

[CamoDeafie]

If they can track every email they can track other stuff too.

Yup

 

[Camelfilter]

The Internet was developed by DARPA. No doubt all online data is trawled through by Govt agencies all over the world

I just go with the notion that they know exactly what firearms we have, along with everything else we own.

Feels better that way, not hiding.



This one was 3 homes ago, and I've since expanded such storage ~X4...

 

[Yarome]

This one was 3 homes ago, and I've since expanded such storage ~X4...

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Awww....! Such a cute little spice rack.

Maybe if you leave them alone in the dark they'll grow up and have babies.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Of course there is some sort of loophole for firearm registry.

With that said...
I have no way to prove this.
However...
If the government can have control over something...and make money off of doing the same....
A loophole for firearm registry should come as no surprise to anyone.
Andy

 

[Yarome]

Of course there is some sort of loophole for firearm registry.

A loophole for firearm registry should come as no surprise to anyone.

Except... the "loophole" they are trying to sell is pure fiction. Nowhere in the prohibiting law does it specify that only a "digitally searchable registry" is prohibited. Simply.... "registry".... or, IOW:

"A registry is an organized system for the collection, storage, retrieval, analysis, and dissemination of information on individual persons."

What Diddlebum clearly and publicly admitted to fits every criteria of that definition while... nearly in the same breath... clearly stated his awareness that a registry is illegal.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Except... the "loophole" they are trying to sell is pure fiction. Nowhere in the prohibiting law does it specify that only a "digitally searchable registry" is prohibited. Simply.... "registry".... or, IOW:

"A registry is an organized system for the collection, storage, retrieval, analysis, and dissemination of information on individual persons."

What Diddlebum clearly and publicly admitted to fits every criteria of that definition.

As I said...
I can't prove that it exists...However...I still have no doubt that it does.
As in any sort of registry...loophole , hidden what F ever....
Andy

 

[Yarome]

As I said...
I can't prove that it exists...However...I still have no doubt that it does.
As in any sort of registry...loophole , hidden what F ever....
Andy

I gotcha. I was just speaking to the "loophole" issue they are trying to sell. IOW, "it's not a registry (hence illegal) if it's not digitally searchable".

Nevermind "CTRL+F".

 

[Flopsweat]

As I said...
I can't prove that it exists...However...I still have no doubt that it does.
As in any sort of registry...loophole , hidden what F ever....
Andy

The gov has several super-secret insanely large computer facilities. There's no telling how many petabytes of storage they have currently.

 

[Diamondback]

I'll believe anything Herr Obersturmbannfuhrer Dettelbach says right about the time he goosesteps his Nazi jackboot azz into a running woodchipper.

 

[The Heretic]

As I said...
I can't prove that it exists...However...I still have no doubt that it does.
As in any sort of registry...loophole , hidden what F ever....
Andy

 

[Diamondback]

"Loophole" means you found a way to comply with the letter of the law while still doing something they don't like.

 

[Ura-Ki]

"Loophole" means you found a way to comply with the letter of the law while still doing something they don't like.

That's how I live my Life, Phuckum!