National Army - Looking for SubMachineGun

[SIG34]

 

[titsonritz]

HK MP7!!!!

That's a PDW, not a subgun (yep there is a difference) and those little rounds ain't all the great.
Small Caliber PDW's: FN 5.7 mm/HK 4.6 mm

 

[mkwerx]

HK MP7!!!!

Except its chambered in 4.6mm, right? Not quite the 9x19 they ask for. Why not just issue p90s at that point? They are already in the military supply chain.

I think it will be the MPX.

They could get RONI chassis for Glock 19X with auto sears, and put folding stocks on them. Then if mission requirements change, they uncage the beast and now have a Glock sidearm. Glock fanbois would flood the world with baby batter in a simultaneous "Told you so" orgasm

 

[SIG34]

That's a PDW, not a subgun (yep there is a difference) and those little rounds ain't all the great.
Small Caliber PDW's: FN 5.7 mm/HK 4.6 mm

I'd personally take 5.7 or 4.6 over 9mm in most applications I've actually shot the Hk mp7 so totally biased !

 

[SIG34]

Except its chambered in 4.6mm, right? Not quite the 9x19 they ask for. Why not just issue p90s at that point? They are already in the military supply chain.

I think it will be the MPX.

They could get RONI chassis for Glock 19X with auto sears, and put folding stocks on them. Then if mission requirements change, they uncage the beast and now have a Glock sidearm. Glock fanbois would flood the world with baby batter in a simultaneous "Told you so" orgasm

Army obviously doesn't know what it needs hahaha
They picked the SIG P320 without really testing it.. then find problems

I still didn't send mine in! But I won't be hitting it with a hammer or dropping it off my roof haha

 

[titsonritz]

I'd personally take 5.7 or 4.6 over 9mm in most applications I've actually shot the Hk mp7 so totally biased !

Did you read the link I posted by Dr. Roberts? If not you should.

 

[Stomper]

We already have the CAR-16!!! It's been in the Inventory since the 70s. And ya, it will go through body armor.

My thoughts exactly.

CAR-15....

 

[SIG34]

Did you read the link I posted by Dr. Roberts? If not you should.

I'll be honest article looked like crap...
Didnt see any links to this info??
Just some guy from California in 2012 writing a blog post?

 

[titsonritz]

I'll be honest article looked like crap...
Didnt see any links to this info??
Just some guy from California in 2012 writing a blog post?

LOL, trust me, he is not "just some guy from California writing a blog". Maybe this will ring a bell:
Best Choices for Self Defense Ammo

 

[SIG34]

LOL, trust me, he is not "just some guy from California writing a blog". Maybe this will ring a bell:
Best Choices for Self Defense Ammo

Well from first hand experience I'd take a Mp7 over Mp5 all day long ! Again love both firearms but that's my opinion

 

[SIG34]

Yes I've shot mp5's & Mp5k Pistol so good amount of trigger time and battlefield Vegas I shot Mp7 on full auto and semi.

 

[po18guy]

MAC-10 in 9mm. Adjusted for inflation, $675.

 

[308]

Bizon

 

[Boboclown]

Army obviously doesn't know what it needs hahaha
They picked the SIG P320 without really testing it.. then find problems

I still didn't send mine in! But I won't be hitting it with a hammer or dropping it off my roof haha

And replace the M110 with the H&K G28, which is just a piston AR-10 with a shorter barrel. If that's all they wanted they might as well just asked KAC to shorten the M110's barrel!

 

[DirectDrive]

When fired from the FN P90, the 5.7×28mm SS190 can penetrate the NATO CRISAT vest or a Level IIIA Kevlar vest at a range of 200 m (219 yd).

I like 9mm, but a vest penetrator like 5.7 could save lives.
And to have a sub with more range than 9mm would be a big advantage,

 

[Boboclown]

View attachment 459621 Bizon

Yeah, but you know sanctions and all.

Our government can't be hypocrites after all.

 

[KKG]

And to have a sub with more range than 9mm would be a big advantage,

The Whole idea behind the SMG is that it's available as a Close Quarters spray and pray Weapons system. They're Not intended to be shot at anything like a 200 meter Target.

 

[MrMillspecer]

CZ Scorpion Evo.

 

[DirectDrive]

The Whole idea behind the SMG is that it's available as a Close Quarters spray and pray Weapons system. They're Not intended to be shot at anything like a 200 meter Target.

Correct
I was suggesting a dual-purpose sub instead of the traditional sub.
You'd get your spray and pray while being able to lay down suppressive fire from 200m.

 

[Boboclown]

When fired from the FN P90, the 5.7×28mm SS190 can penetrate the NATO CRISAT vest or a Level IIIA Kevlar vest at a range of 200 m (219 yd).

I like 9mm, but a vest penetrator like 5.7 could save lives.
And to have a sub with more range than 9mm would be a big advantage,

I don't care much for the P90, but I'd like the idea of them having something that can reach a bit further so the soldiers with em don't get caught with their pants down, so to speak.