Arming teachers. HR34

[nammac]

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This kinda says it all...

If the liberals, socialists and Demoncrats were serious about protecting our children, we'd be following the example set by Israel... We'd secure our schools, we'd allow qualified staff to carry, we have armed protection...

But the truth is, the kids lost are nothing more than broken eggs in their recipe for a socialistic utopia... Harsh words, I know, but isn't it the truth? What other explanation is there for the gun control and gun ban hysteria?

 

[nammac]

Gesaky I have done this. I have written letters, written emails, made phone calls, even spoken with those in person who write our laws. And every time, without fail, I receive a cookie cutter vague response pointing out the fact that they heard or saw my message but could care less what it says or means.

And herein lies the problem, self serving legislators. Time to clean them out, forcibly is need be...

 

[11Charlie]

But, I wouldn't make teachers the first line of defense. I'd rather see several controlled entry points for each school, with each entry set up to screen each incoming person by armed security. They are the first line of defense. If they go down, then the teachers can step in if they wish. I just don't see making the teachers the first line in this plan. If we're serious about this, we'll find the money for professional, armed security (preferably former LE and/or military) and prevent the shooter from getting in the building in the first place.

I agree but I will take armed teachers over nothing. Especially trained teachers.

 

[etrain16]

I agree but I will take armed teachers over nothing. Especially trained teachers.

Absolutely.

 

[Colts4me]

We have some great teachers that should be armed if they want to be. That being said if you really look at the end product of this you are not going to like how the system will be run. The school administrators will pay out extra money to teachers to carry a gun just to give them more money and the teacher wont' carry a gun. If a shooting does happen the schools will have all the paperwork that says the teachers were armed when in fact they won't be.

The schools manipulate funding to give themselves higher pay. They create administrative positions to give advancement and the new gun for a teacher will just be another pay raise. Just opinion by what I have seen in the past.

A question that needs to be asked now is what happens when the teacher accidently shoots some kids? What happens when you arm a teacher and he turns into a killer?

 

[AMT]

I ask WHY is there a push to have teachers "trained" to CC if they chose to carry?

In WA I didn't have to take any "training" what-so-ever. For my OR and Utah permit I sat through a "class".

I am not "trained" to CC daily when I go to store, doctor office, etc, etc. I am "allowed" to because I went through the process to be able to carry concealed.

Again, why would the teachers need special training to carry concealed if they want to?

JUST ALLOW CONCEALED CARRY ON SCHOOL PROPERTY BY ALL WHO ARE AUTHORIZED TO DO SO, WHO HAVE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS OF THEIR STATE TO BE APPROVED FOR CONCEALED CARRY !!!

 

[11Charlie]

I ask WHY is there a push to have teachers "trained" to CC if they chose to carry?

In WA I didn't have to take any "training" what-so-ever. For my OR and Utah permit I sat through a "class".

I am not "trained" to CC daily when I go to store, doctor office, etc, etc. I am "allowed" to because I went through the process to be able to carry concealed.

Again, why would the teachers need special training to carry concealed if they want to?

JUST ALLOW CONCEALED CARRY ON SCHOOL PROPERTY BY ALL WHO ARE AUTHORIZED TO DO SO, WHO HAVE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS OF THEIR STATE TO BE APPROVED FOR CONCEALED CARRY !!!

Trained as in how to handle a certain situation! They can work with SWAT and that would give them a better tactical edge.

 

[nammac]

I would imagine that teachers in Israel receive some formalized type of training, need to be proficient with that rifle slung over the back.

Whatever the process, we should follow that same method here.

 

[GUNARCHER]

There are schools that have armed individuals. You don't hear about them because they destroy the leftist narrative. Now it seems to be coming out and deserves study and comments from those that have been able to institute these programs.

 

[808hondacrguy]

Decisions, decisions....

 

[Hayshaker]

Gesaky I have done this. I have written letters, written emails, made phone calls, even spoken with those in person who write our laws. And every time, without fail, I receive a cookie cutter vague response pointing out the fact that they heard or saw my message but could care less what it says or means.

YES/ YES/YES ~~~ That's exactly what Wyden/Merkly do BLAH?BLAH BLAH. Being liberal is their ONLY way. Even if your right your wrong

 

[NoLimePlease]

he school administrators will pay out extra money to teachers to carry a gun just to give them more money and the teacher wont' carry a gun

UST ALLOW CONCEALED CARRY ON SCHOOL PROPERTY BY ALL WHO ARE AUTHORIZED TO DO SO, WHO HAVE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS OF THEIR STATE TO BE APPROVED FOR CONCEALED CARRY !!!

Removing "Gun Free Zones" is a good start.
The problem with just passing legislation to remove the gun free zone law is that schools then will be left to implement policy as set locally. This needs to happen on a federal level, with federal protection for those teachers who do choose to carry.

And there is nothing wrong with giving teachers more pay. Its unbelievable how poorly prioritized our public education system is for funding. Again, part of the problem when you cannot give the children the time and energy that they need while developing.


@AMT, You are absolutely right. Great place to start. But there is nothing wrong at all with training. And I am starting to gather that the same groups that want to "ban whatever" have a generalized fear of anything "gun" related. Therefore, allowing teachers in school while concealed carrying could very well be seen as just another "gun nut" to these people. If there was a requirement to be "trained" in some way, its possible more would accept armed faculty as a form of protection rather than just a teacher with a gun.

Thank you everybody for the conversation here. It really helps me sort out my thoughts and ideas and make sense of it all.

 

[Hayshaker]

We have some great teachers that should be armed if they want to be. That being said if you really look at the end product of this you are not going to like how the system will be run. The school administrators will pay out extra money to teachers to carry a gun just to give them more money and the teacher wont' carry a gun. If a shooting does happen the schools will have all the paperwork that says the teachers were armed when in fact they won't be.

The schools manipulate funding to give themselves higher pay. They create administrative positions to give advancement and the new gun for a teacher will just be another pay raise. Just opinion by what I have seen in the past.

A question that needs to be asked now is what happens when the teacher accidently shoots some kids? What happens when you arm a teacher and he turns into a killer?

Whether a teacher is armed or not makes NO difference if he inclined to do harm he will find a way.
Also an armed guard has the probability of hitting a student ~~ close quarters also using an AR indors is wrong~~ need something that will NOT go thru 2/3 walls. Just my .02/c

 

[American123]

American123, you bring up exactly what is circulating in the leftist cries for help, and these have been a rally point for years with the ant-gun crowd. But of your 4 points made, the only one with any kind of validity is topic #2. We shouldn't have to.
The resent rise in school shootings makes this very obviously not the case. It's like there is some kind of disconnect here with the opposing arguments. It seems as if the simple fact that our children need protection is being held hostage by a leftist political agenda against gun, and the real problem is not being addressed. Which is simply that our children need protection.

Why isn't this track getting more attention for those that genuinely want their kids safe in schools?

The reason why is because liberals actually place banning guns at a higher importance than actually protecting children. Dead children are a means to an end which is there desire to ban guns.

It has already been pointed out that at many if not all of the schools the elite, politicians, and celebrities send their children to school at have armed security, and yet for the "peasants" it is an unfathomable security measure.

 

[ma96782]

I have no comment, at this time, about the security that was provided at the school in FL. But.....

Think about the logic here. Wait a second, is a Liberal even capable of logic?



Aloha, Mark

 

[41mag]

I just don't understand why we are not protecting our children.

this sorrowful episode in our national consciousness is a warning marker we are seriously off course from the adult role in maintaining a 'healthy responsible society' in meaningful terms to protect and educate our young

 

[Colts4me]

Whether a teacher is armed or not makes NO difference if he inclined to do harm he will find a way.
Also an armed guard has the probability of hitting a student ~~ close quarters also using an AR indors is wrong~~ need something that will NOT go thru 2/3 walls. Just my .02/c

Odds are they will rush a feel good program through and it will fail. They could do a good job if they brought in outside resources to set up guns and a program but this will be left to buearcrats you can't trust them. It has to be a program the kids are involved in so they learn how to stay out of the line of fire. Class rooms would have to be changed so teachers who have guns are in the right spot etc. No I have no faith this will be done right because look at that Sherriff departments failure. Those guys train constantly yet 17 die, it's because it's run by buearcrats.

 

[41mag]

Those guys train constantly yet 17 die, it's because it's run by buearcrats.

we haven't seen much public information about the *nameless villain* who FAILED to do his job while on assignment as a security officer

 

[NoLimePlease]

The reason why is because liberals actually place banning guns at a higher importance than actually protecting children. Dead children are a means to an end which is there desire to ban guns.

If this is true, and it certainly appears reasonable to be true, then we are in a very bad place indeed. But i just cannot believe there can be a collective group argument based on this kind of ignorance.

 

[Colts4me]

we haven't seen much public information about the *nameless villain* who FAILED to do his job while on assignment as a security officer

Lots of info out there, there is a thread here. I caught this early this morning.

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