National 80% Receiver Law Goes Into Effect

[SOrez]

I received an email from Tactical Machin[ng saying that they can sell 80% AR lowers without the jig.

 

[NeoBlackdog]

This is not a law, it's a whim. If the next administration is properly conservative then it will be reversed and that's no way to run a railroad.

 

[Rkangel]

I received an email from Tactical Machin[ng saying that they can sell 80% AR lowers without the jig.

I got the same from a couple other places too, except now the price has doubled. Ya know, it's bad enough to get bent over by the AFT, but to get shafted in the aft compartment by our own industry is blatant opportunism. But what do we expect when the rules are so grey and murky as to encourage profiteering on both sides...?

 

[Dr Prepper]

but to get shafted in the aft compartment by our own industry is blatant opportunism.

Bingo..
But really what market isn't totally opportunistic, its human nature to use a situation to your own advantage. It's the root cause of human nature.

 

[Rkangel]

Bingo..
But really what market isn't totally opportunistic, its human nature to use a situation to your own advantage. It's the root cause of human nature.

The AFT changed parts of the ruling two days before it went into effect. So I guess it stands to reason that the unscrupulous dealers would use fear for profit as long as possible. Although it makes them no better than the unscrupulous alphabet agencies IMO.

Some of the stand up companies didn't take advantage or employ fear porn. Those are the companies I will continue to do business with. The rest can rot.

 

[Nick Burkhardt]

Report: How Joe Biden's Ban on 'Ghost' Guns Lasted Less Than 1 Minute

Biden's new federal regulation prohibited the sale of kits that contain everything the end user would need to construct a functioning firearm.

www.westernjournal.com

 

[JD42]

Let's not eat our own. Most off the manufactures who make the 80% lowers are not unscrupulous. Many are small businesses that are looking at being put out off work. The law was so messed up that even now most people even lawyers don't know exactly what it means. Let's all hang together on this or as they say we will be hung separately. The real unscrupulous one is Brandon and the ATF.

 

[kmk1012]

So, I'm a little confused here. I thought that all 80% lowers needed sent to ffl for transfer now. But some of you are saying that they are selling them without a jig, business as usual? I missed the boat on this one, don't have a jig and kinda want a lower to tinker with.

 

[JD42]

Yes there are a few that are selling without the jig. Check out poly80 web page. Some jigs for sale on gunbroker. Good luck.

 

[Rkangel]

Let's not eat our own. Most off the manufactures who make the 80% lowers are not unscrupulous. Many are small businesses that are looking at being put out off work. The law was so messed up that even now most people even lawyers don't know exactly what it means. Let's all hang together on this or as they say we will be hung separately. The real unscrupulous one is Brandon and the ATF.

True. But not all are honest either. I hate that several of the good dealers are closing because of this. If we are to hang together on this, then businesses need to have our back as much as we have theirs.
My issue isn't with the honest businesses who stayed honest in the face of this stupid ruling. My issue is with the businesses who bombarded my inbox with countdown to D-day, panic buy now, and out of stock emails....then less than 24 hours later bombard my inbox "specials" on 80% lowers, suddenly back in stock for over double the price, along with sudden revelations from their "legal department" that swear they can sell lowers after all. The whole thing is a mess not helped out by the optics of the situation.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Just wait until ATF makes a law requiring all parts must be serial numbered; upper, lower, stock, BCG, bbl, magazine…..

And all serial numbered parts purchased run through a FFL

You might wanna look up the Federal Firearms Act of 1938; it did in fact require such parts to be serialized. The Gun Control Act of 1968 repealed that particular law and kept the Federal Firearms License and background/prohibited persons components.

yup!

Again, Firearms Act of 1938 defined Firearms as "any parts or all parts of a weapon" it made a big mess, and was repealed with GCA 1968, with the exception of the FFL, bg checks and prohibited persons class.

When will the madness end.....

Never. not until a big reset happens

 

[Member 3687]

It may all go down the drain... we will see

 

[Martini_Up]

You might wanna look up the Federal Firearms Act of 1938; it did in fact require such parts to be serialized. The Gun Control Act of 1968 repealed that particular law and kept the Federal Firearms License and background/prohibited persons components.

Again, Firearms Act of 1938 defined Firearms as "any parts or all parts of a weapon" it made a big mess, and was repealed with GCA 1968, with the exception of the FFL, bg checks and prohibited persons class.

Never. not until a big reset happens

So all U.S. firearms made between those dates comply? I never noticed my pre-GCA firearms being serialized as such.

 

[CamoDeafie]

So all U.S. firearms made between those dates comply? I never noticed my pre-GCA firearms being serialized as such.

There's a reason many had matching numbers on more than just the barrels and receivers. My 1952 JC Higgins shotgun has matching serials on pretty much all the parts (bolt, carrier, receiver, trigger group, barrel). But it didn't always have really unique serials, many guns at that time simply had 4 to 6 digits only denoting model and year.

 

[ma96782]

Just Constitutionally (thinking of the recent BRUEN decision).

Figure that Gunsmiths made guns back in the founding father's days. No manufacturers' license required and No ser # required. So???

Anyway......carry on......as how YOU see fit to. And, just hope that you see me on the Jury (if it gets that far).

Aloha, Mark

 

[Yarome]

I was just noticing too that polymer80 is now offering another option. Completed stripped frames, serialized and requiring an FFL And... they is spendy!! Nice to have the option to go 80% or completed, but just a touch below, say, an OEM glonk stripped frame in price. So... do people like the poly80's so much they are willing to buy them vs an OEM?

Personally, I think they are just great as an 80%, but all things being equal... I wouldn't swap them for an OEM.

 

[bradsteen]

I was just noticing too that polymer80 is now offering another option. Completed stripped frames, serialized and requiring an FFL And... they is spendy!! Nice to have the option to go 80% or completed, but just a touch below, say, an OEM glonk stripped frame in price. So... do people like the poly80's so much they are willing to buy them vs an OEM?

Personally, I think they are just great as an 80%, but all things being equal... I wouldn't swap them for an OEM.

I like the overall feel of the P80 better. They scallop the area where the middle finger touches the trigger guard, making it much more comfortable to grip IMO. Also, the texturing is nice and having a standard rail vs. Glock-specific rail is a plus.

 

[Stomper]

Not so fast ATF dickheads! You've been smacked back!

 

[NeoBlackdog]

"a missile propelled by an explosion"
Wouldn't that little tidbit limit the definition of a 'firearm' to those devices that use black powder? Don't modern firearms use a gunpowder that burns rapidly but doesn't 'explode'?

(I know, I'm reachin' here, but what the heck...)

 

[Yarome]

I like the overall feel of the P80 better. They scallop the area where the middle finger touches the trigger guard, making it much more comfortable to grip IMO. Also, the texturing is nice and having a standard rail vs. Glock-specific rail is a plus.

I like the ergonomics just fine, but for me it's more about the rails. Some of them really need a lot of work to get a proper alignment and even on the "lucky ones" it still takes a little fine tuning. There can be an impact on reliability, excessive slide wear or premature slop without some attention to detail when fitting your slide.

I know many just do the "rack it 1000 times" or "keep shooting. It'll work itself in eventually" methods, but to me, that seems to create unnecessary wear and will eventually shorten the firearms "life" and accuracy.

I'm not saying they can't be dialed in with a little extra work. They most certainly can be, but it can take a good amount of effort sometimes.

In that respect, OEM's generally offer a much more reliable and better wearing fit out-of-the-box, IMHO. From that perspective alone, and given the prices are marginally about the same.... I would take the OEM option.