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It's always the "unloaded" ones. Bottom line is they are always loaded, treat them as such.
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I'm not sure where everyone in the gun community gets the idea that because something is negligent or preventable, it's not an accident; and that a negligent discharge is not an accidental discharge. I remember overhearing someone at a range once loudly and angrily insisting that a "negligent discharge IS NOT an accidental discharge". In reality, every dictionary of the English language says otherwise. Just because something was accidental doesn't mean someone wasn't negligent, careless, or just flat out stupid. And... using the excuse that "It was an accident" does not absolve you of guilt, even though my kids seem to think it does somehow...
I much prefer to say that you need to develop an ingrained habit to treat every gun you touch as if it were loaded
I agree with you. I just wonder... how old was the "girl"? And if older "girl" was she giving you grief or what was her deal? I think if it's a pre-teen then it's a good thing because it opens discussion but coming from a teen or older I would have some concerns.
Fighting over English... the most imprecise language on earth. IMO an "accidental discharge" is an unintended discharge as was listed in the dictionary. It can also be a negligent discharge, but that does NOT mean that it isn't unintended, therefore, accidental. For you specious types, just because the trigger is pulled does NOT mean that the handler intended to discharge a round. LEOs have done just that inside gun shops, did they intend to send that round??? NOOOOOOOOOO! Claiming that they intended to because they weren't careful enough or had a momentary lapse is.... Soooo tired of this argument!!!!
BTW, anyone who doesn't understand what you mean when you instruct them that a gun is always loaded... . Makes me wonder if they really are capable of taking instruction, are they being dense on purpose, or just think they are funny or brainy... at any rate probably immature. However, I am thinking of the old adage "If the student hasn't learned, the teacher hasn't taught". Do we need better instructors to fully explain the concepts of firearm safety, or do we have people that see themselves as instructors when they are not? My dad gave me no instruction on anything, yet somehow I learned stuff. Maybe he was a smart dad after all.
It's semantics, I completely understand that. I also understand that 99.9% of the participants here don't give a rat's @ss either way. We see that a tragic "accident" has happened which will lead to more talk about taking away our rights. My pet peeve, if you will, is that when we put the label of "accident" on something as serious as this, it's almost dismissive. Like, "Oops, my bad!" In my mind, saying that you were negligent puts the onus on you.
I'm not exactly clear what the police in the gun shop example is about, but every time I see something like that on the youtube I just think people like that are double stupid.
I'm not speaking from a high horse or someplace better. Trust me, I screw things up all the time. But you know what? I've never negligently sent a round where I didn't want it to go - knock on wood.
My pet peeve, if you will, is that when we put the label of "accident" on something as serious as this, it's almost dismissive.
I'm not exactly clear what the police in the gun shop example is about, but every time I see something like that on the youtube I just think people like that are double stupid.
I'm not speaking from a high horse or someplace better. Trust me, I screw things up all the time. But you know what? I've never negligently sent a round where I didn't want it to go - knock on wood.
No, I don't get that impression at all. Children may use "accident" as an excuse... we are not children and I've never seen a normal adult use the term accident that way. I guess there could be low-lifes, morons, idiots, low-class, dumbazz, folks that would, but I'm not exposed to those types. So I a way I suppose you are right but I don't believe that type of thinking generally applies to most folks. Am I wrong? Am I being to generous in my opinion of my fellow man? Certainly none of us HERE would ever act that way... I think, I hope.
I like to believe this as well. I desperately want to have faith in our species - and then I go out to the Salmonberry shooting area to help with the OHA annual cleanup and holy bubblegum! The amount of disrespect shown to this beautiful state and our beloved hobby/sport/lifestyle was nauseating. I won't go into details as I wrote about it in another thread, but I can honestly say that was the worst public shooting spot that I've ever experienced.
But, it takes all kinds I guess. All we can do is be our best and hope kindness and common sense is infectious.
Not saying you are doing this: but I get the distinct impression from some people that they believe an AD/ND cannot happen to them. IMO that type of attitude is an accident waiting to happen. Pride goeth before the fall!
This is true. Don't think it can only happen to the other guy, because he was stupid and careless, and you're not. Always believe that it could happen to you, and act accordingly to make darn sure it doesn't.
Your quote about abolishing a government and instituting a new government is not from the Constitution. It is from the Declaration of Independence. Just sayin'.This is just pure negligence, there's no other word for it. Can't imagine being that dad. My girls are precious to me, I couldn't live with myself if I was ignorant enough to let something like this happen.
Thoughts and prayers for the family, may God's peace be upon them during this time of sorrow and anguish...
Wow, I thought I had corrected that. I have now... Thanks, I never see my signature as it doesn't appear in my postings on my phone. Heck I'm lucky I spelled it all correctly!Your quote about abolishing a government and instituting a new government is not from the Constitution. It is from the Declaration of Independence. Just sayin'.
Your spelling was perfect.Wow, I thought I had corrected that. I have now... Thanks, I never see my signature as it doesn't appear in my postings on my phone. Heck I'm lucky I spelled it all correctly!