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"Authorities learned that the girl's father was inside the house cleaning a handgun he thought was unloaded when it discharged. The bullet struck the child in the head, police said."


Agree. Verify, verify, verify, watch your muzzle and know without a shadow of doubt that you are clear. It seems anal, but I check a number of times, even during the process. RIP little girl
 
such tragically famous last words. " I thought the gun was unloaded " Its right up there with " hold my beer and watch this. "
 
Though it is technically true that there really are such things as unloaded guns, one cannot treat them willy nilly. One must always treat it as loaded until it is in pieces on the table.
 
I had posted in another thread, (Short version ) saw pistol unloaded by my son, son holstered the firearm.
Later gave it to me to clean. I checked at once out of habit had all live rounds in it. Even saw it unloaded doesn't mater once it leaves your hands reset that clock always. I am super anal about it like many others.
 
Basic rules of firearms safety. Treat every gun as if it WERE LOADED. Muzzle discipline should be happening ALWAYS. Erks me to no end when the salesman behind the gun counter doesn't practice it, while dropping a mag (empty I hope) from the pistol. Very sad story here, I'm not sure I could live with myself if was in that situation.
 
I had posted in another thread, (Short version ) saw pistol unloaded by my son, son holstered the firearm.
Later gave it to me to clean. I checked at once out of habit had all live rounds in it. Even saw it unloaded doesn't mater once it leaves your hands reset that clock always. I am super anal about it like many others.
Exactly. If we were standing around BSing and you handed me a gun...CHECK
Then I hand it back to you...CHECK
It shouldn't matter if we handed it back and forth a dozen times...CHECK
 
As a father of three I understand how tragic this is. However...there is no such thing as an accidental discharge.

:mad: Was about to get on a soapbox, but I'll leave it at that.
 
It doesn't hurt to check a gun to see if its loaded...but it can hurt or worse if you don't.

Folks at times can take things for granted and when you get complacent around things like :
Knives...
Power tools...
Ladders...
Cars...
Slippery steps...
Firearms...
All sorts of mishaps can happen.
Do not allow yourself to get complacent.

Stories like these make me sad...the phrase Thoughts and prayers sent to the family , means so much , but sounds so little at times like these.
Andy
 
It doesn't hurt to check a gun to see if its loaded...but it can hurt or worse if you don't.

Folks at times can take things for granted and when you get complacent around things like :
Knives...
Power tools...
Ladders...
Cars...
Slippery steps...
Firearms...
All sorts of mishaps can happen.
Do not allow yourself to get complacent.

Stories like these make me sad...the phrase Thoughts and prayers sent to the family , means so much , but sounds so little at times like these.
Andy


THIS :s0101:
 
:( These stories are sad and happen all to often. People need to realize what has already been said. Check, Check and then triple check. No such thing as a unloaded gun.
 
This is just pure negligence, there's no other word for it. Can't imagine being that dad. My girls are precious to me, I couldn't live with myself if I was ignorant enough to let something like this happen.

Thoughts and prayers for the family, may God's peace be upon them during this time of sorrow and anguish...
 
Why I hate to say it seems that involuntary manslaughter charges might wake up American gun owners when they see one of their own serving 5 years in prison for negligence.


( We have someone here in Douglas County, a Female doctor went to work left her kid in car, came at lunch drove came back with her kid dead in the oblivious she was even their until she got off work later that day ) Some Socialist Liberals around here are trying to paint it as a accident and get her off with just the pain she has. Sorry, you need to be judged for that if found guilty serve time. This wasn't leaving milk in the car, you left your kid. (Parents need to start taking responsibility for their actions in neglect cases )
 
Why I hate to say it seems that involuntary manslaughter charges might wake up American gun owners when they see one of their own serving 5 years in prison for negligence.


( We have someone here in Douglas County, a Female doctor went to work left her kid in car, came at lunch drove came back with her kid dead in the oblivious she was even their until she got off work later that day ) Some Socialist Liberals around here are trying to paint it as a accident and get her off with just the pain she has. Sorry, you need to be judged for that if found guilty serve time. This wasn't leaving milk in the car, you left your kid. (Parents need to start taking responsibility for their actions in neglect cases )
Yup, too busy to look in the back seat. Amazes me there's more advocation for animal rights and ASPCA on television then public service announcements for "Parents that are Dummies"... America's priorities... So messed up....
 
It doesn't hurt to check a gun to see if its loaded...but it can hurt or worse if you don't.

Folks at times can take things for granted and when you get complacent around things like :
Knives...
Power tools...
Ladders...
Cars...
Slippery steps...
Firearms...
All sorts of mishaps can happen.
Do not allow yourself to get complacent.

Stories like these make me sad...the phrase Thoughts and prayers sent to the family , means so much , but sounds so little at times like these.
Andy

Not me.

My 10", 5hp table saw scares the bejeesus out of me every time I fire it up and I've built all the cabinets and doors for two kitchens with it. I've got a rubber mallet that had an unhappy encounter with the saw blade that I keep around as a reminder that bad things can happen at any time.
 
Early on in my gun journey I had a thing about unloading my gun every night. One night I racked the slide for the chambered round, then dropped the mag. I was just about to pull the trigger to drop the striker and something yelled inside me!

Get the order wrong just once, then pull the trigger on an "unloaded" gun pointed in the wrong direction and you have to clean up a broken TV at best, a broken loved one at worst.

I racked the gun one more time and out popped a round out of my "unloaded" chamber. I don't unload every night anymore.
 
Early on in my gun journey I had a thing about unloading my gun every night. One night I racked the slide for the chambered round, then dropped the mag. I was just about to pull the trigger to drop the striker and something yelled inside me!

Get the order wrong just once, then pull the trigger on an "unloaded" gun pointed in the wrong direction and you have to clean up a broken TV at best, a broken loved one at worst.

I racked the gun one more time and out popped a round out of my "unloaded" chamber. I don't unload every night anymore.
Yup, it's never really unloaded until you stuff your pinkey in the chamber for verification...
 
As a father of one daughter, hearing a story like this makes me sick to my stomach. The thought of looking at my daughter lying dead, because I did something so profoundly stupid, would probably destroy me for life. These stories just tear me apart because I know how hard it would hit me.

I'm sure this father loved his daughter immensely, and would have never done anything intentionally to harm her, which will make this so much harder for him. My sympathy for the mother and the rest of the family and for the father who will bear this guilt for the rest of his life. A momentary lapse of judgment with lifelong consequences.

Please, please be safe. Take nothing for granted, and never let the muzzle of a gun point at another person, save for one reason - self defense.
 
Early on in my gun journey I had a thing about unloading my gun every night. One night I racked the slide for the chambered round, then dropped the mag. I was just about to pull the trigger to drop the striker and something yelled inside me!

Get the order wrong just once, then pull the trigger on an "unloaded" gun pointed in the wrong direction and you have to clean up a broken TV at best, a broken loved one at worst.

I racked the gun one more time and out popped a round out of my "unloaded" chamber. I don't unload every night anymore.

ETA, I'm not trying to beat you up.... Unload the gun sure, but why must the trigger be pulled? Wouldn't hurt to leave the action cocked. Someone I know had a negligent discharge just like this.

My thoughts are with this family. I'm always curious though, are we just not hearing about the hundreds more of these incidents that must happen? Or how does it happen to be that the gun accidentally discharged and it happened to be pointed at someone's head? There has to be literally millions of other non-lethal places that bullet could have accidentally gone.

Bryan
 
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