45 Haters

[wichaka]

If someone took my 45 and gave me a 9, I wouldn't cry over it.

Having been to quite a few shooting victim autopsies, a well constructed 9 HP can do a very good job.

 

[jbett98]

45 acp.

If it's good enough for Chuck Norris, it's good enough for me!

 

[mjbskwim]

That being said, I consider myself a true champion of diversity; I love them all, and can come up with great excuses to own/carry/shoot any caliber or action type..

This is great cause you know most every married man on this forum has told the wifey they needed that gun because..... even though they don't think it's a good carry gun

 

[mjbskwim]

If someone took my 45 and gave me a 9, I wouldn't cry over it.

Having been to quite a few shooting victim autopsies, a well constructed 9 HP can do a very good job.

But was it 500? In this thread the 'expert' number is 500

 

[3MTA3]

45 acp.

If it's good enough for Chuck Norris, it's good enough for me!

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Not a good example, since Chuck doesn't need ammo. All Chuck needs to do is lay the sights on you and you immediately die.

 

[Vierings]

I carry both. I wouldn't mind dabbling in others (357 sig specifically). But cost and availability limit that desire.

I think of it more as 1911 hate because no one gives the guy carrying a Sig 220 a hard time.

A P220 is one of my weapons, And if I'm OWB or at the range, people always ask if its a 226.. So it could be that others think its a 226 when they see it and think 9mm in your situation as well

 

[Hook686]

In case it hasn't already come up here: http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm

Hopefully not against the rules to share this:
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The good 'ole .45ACP still stacks up pretty good for effectiveness. I still use a 9, because it's easier for me to control, most people can't hit a moving target outside of 25 feet, and most people can't hit a moving target inside of 20 feet if they are running directly at them with a knife before they get stabbed.

This was from the 'Jello shooters' many years ago.

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This information comparing service pistol calibers was buried in a previous thread; as it is very illuminating, I think it deserves it's own separate topic. When comparing well designed duty handgun ammunition, there are minimal differences in penetration depths and temporary cavity effects, as noted below in the gel shots by Doug Carr:

As you increase bullet size and mass from 9 mm/357 Sig, to .40 S&W, to .45 ACP, more tissue is crushed, resulting in a larger permanent cavity. In addition, the larger bullets often offer better performance through intermediate barriers. For some, the incremental advantages of the larger calibers are offset by weapon platform characteristics. As is quite obvious from the photo above, NONE of the common service pistol calibers generate temporary cavities of sufficient magnitude to cause significant tissue damage. Anyone interested in this topic should read and periodically re-read, "Handgun Wounding Factors and Effectiveness" by Urey Patrick of the FBI FTU, as this remains the single best discussion of the wound ballistic requirements of handguns used for self-defense -- it is available at: http://www.firearmstactical.com/hwfe.htm .


Keeping in mind that handguns generally offer poor incapacitation potential, bullets with effective terminal performance are available in all of the most commonly used duty pistol calibers—pick the one that you shoot most accurately, that is most reliable in the type of pistol you choose, and best suits you likely engagement scenarios.

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The following loads have all demonstrated outstanding terminal performance:

9 mm:
Barnes 105 gr JHP (copper bullet)
Fed 124 gr JHP (LE9T1)
Speer 124 gr +P JHP (53617)
Win 124 gr JHP (RA91P)
Win 127 gr +P+ JHP (RA9TA)
Fed 135 gr +P JHP (LE9T5)
Rem 147 gr JHP (GS9MMC)
Speer 147 gr JHP (53619)
Win 147 gr JHP (RA9T)

.40 S&W:
Speer 155 gr JHP (53961)
Fed 165 gr JHP (LE40T3)
Win 165 gr JHP (RA40TA)
Win 165 gr JHP (RA401P)
Fed 180 gr JHP (LE40T1)
Rem 180 gr JHP (GS40SWB)
Speer 180 gr JHP (53966)
Win 180 gr JHP (RA40T)

.45 ACP:
Barnes/Taurus 185 gr JHP
Federal 230 gr Tactical (LE45T1)
Speer 230 gr Gold Dot (23966).
Winchester 230 gr Ranger Talon (RA45T)
Winchester 230 gr +P Ranger Talon (RA45TP)

Notes:
-- While the .45 ACP Barnes/Taures all copper 185 gr JHP is just slightly deficient in penetration, I would not hesitate to use this load when a lower penetration projectile is desired--it is more versatile in different potential engagement scenarios and far superior compared to Triton Quickshok, Aguila IQ, Magsafe, Glaser, etc...

-- Although the Winchester service pistol loads (RA91P & RA401P) using the Nosler Partition Gold bullets are rumored to be discontinued, this Alan Corzine bullet design is too good not to be in production and I suspect another manufacturer will be savvy enough to start using them.

-- Obviously, clone loads using the same bullet at the same velocity work equally well (ie. Black Hills ammo using Gold Dot bullets, etc…)

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http://www.tacticalforums.com/cgi-bin/tacticalubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=78;t=000581#000000

 

[mjbskwim]

Please make it stop

 

[3MTA3]

Please make it stop

Could you please clarify that a bit.....?

 

[Oathkeeper1775]

Ok, true story, my daughter kills her Elk with a .338 Winchester magnum on a regular basis, she's smaller than most reading this,

Jealous emoticon

But I share the dad-chest; swelled with pride

 

[No_Regerts]

 

[IheartSig]

This argument is like saying "I have a hammer that works really well, it's a craftsman. My neighbor has a Snap on hammer that he loves, why is he such an idiot?"

Does it matter what tools others use to accomplish their tasks? Just do, you.

 

[brokenarrow]

The beauty of it all is that's it is like golf. Do you ever see a golfer with just one club. Pick the right tool for the job. What ever turns your crank, so to speak. That's what makes us great is being able to choose and enjoy. But whatever you choose remember "don't leave home without it!"

 

[Boboclown]

Bobo thinks that if people lived in a country where you can't own either a 9 or 45 long enough, people will not fight over which is better and appreciate just having one when they come back...

 

[Deavis]

I do know many agencies have gone back to 9mm because of the difficulty that smaller shooters have with bigger framed guns that fit the 45 and 10mm and cant deal with the 40 and 357 sig recoil in lightweight polymer framed guns. Officers failing to qualify is a problem nationwide.

The typical new hire isnt the 6'2 to 6'5, 210 to 240 pound man anymore. Its the 5'3 to 5'7, 140 pound woman or the 5'7 to 5'10, 150 to 175 pound guy. And most of them arent shooters.

The real problem is that in today's workforce the employee takes little responsibility for performance.

If your job is stacking 80 pound seed bags on pallets and you cant pick them up because they are too heavy.... Why should the company make smaller bags FOR YOU?

 

[No_Regerts]

The real problem is that in today's workforce the employee takes little responsibility for performance.

If your job is stacking 80 pound seed bags on pallets and you cant pick them up because they are too heavy.... Why should the company make smaller bags FOR YOU?

Because its government and "diversity" is more important than practical skills and abilities.

 

[Goosebrown]

I own a 9 mm to compensate for my gargantuan willy, looks like we cancel each other out.

I hear you brother. I am packing a .25 Barretta as compensation.

 

[No_Regerts]

I hear you brother. I am packing a .25 Barretta as compensation.

Anybody got anything in 22 short?

 

[Certaindeaf]

I hear you brother. I am packing a .25 Barretta as compensation.

Preach it, preacherman! lol

 

[Certaindeaf]

On another site that I was of course banned from, there was/is a fellow that'd load .25acp (etc. etc.) to rival a .340 Weatherby (well.. I caught a fish once). You probably know the guy, PNW and all.. kinda interesting