$240 AR15 triggers, why?

[Hueco]

As we know money doesn't always buy us wins or accuracy. I started out getting into golf in the early 90s. I drove all over the central Oregon coast and some of the Willamette Valley hand picking my clubs out of pawn shop wine barrels. I put together a mish mash set of standard irons and woods and grabbed a couple new wedges and a demo putter from Fiddler's Green. I played those for a few years from Manzanita to Florence and ended up with a decent set of Yamahas and the transition from steel shaft to graphite went how everybody would expect. I self taught. I had a little help from a gum shoe that was from down around Waldport that probably should've gave up his BS career and joined the tour. He really was that good. I never used handicaps I just kept score. So in 2005 I went all in and ordered a complete set of custom length, steel shafted Cobra's top of the line pro sticks and staff bag. If I didn't think I was the $hi+. I struggled a little with the Cobras and the voice in my head always told me I wish I would've hung onto to my pawn shop glory sticks. Around 2007 I dead quit and sold off the Cobra gear to a tour guy in Augusta. Just like guns or other sports equipment I've done just fine on the cheap but I prefer to spend the dough.

You missed my joke.

If you can shoot good, you get good triggers to inch out a little bit more from your already good shootin'.

Otherwise, it's just flexin' on the poors .

I'm still rocking a handmedown set of Ping Eye 2's - including the actual wood woods. I did take a swing once with a friend's club and picked up about 18 yards…so there is something there to new tech. I just can't bring myself to pay for new clubs when the score just doesn't matter to me.

 

[3MTA3]

IMO golf equipment analogy has a few holes. Most of the time the difference between average entry level clubs and the set you just have to have is maybe less than a percentage of actual improvement and can sometimes be worse.

Some standard GI triggers are decent and some are junk, but even a GI trigger with a decent trigger job like an ACT or QMS is a HUGE improvement for most shooters.

Where I would make a golf analogy based on equipment is that a standard GI trigger is frequently like a set of clubs where some are flat and others are not and where some have swing weights much different than others and none have the same balance or shaft flex. Practice and familiarity can overcome crappy triggers and golf clubs, but ones that are consistent and crisp are easier to master.

In both sports time spent doing them is far more valuable than time spent engrossed in equipment porn.

 

[DizzyJ]

A good trigger does not make a good shooter, but it will make a good shooter shoot better!

 

[3MTA3]

A good trigger does not make a good shooter, but it will make a good shooter shoot better!

A good trigger also helps a new shooter learn good habits

 

[Tony617]

I have a set of Jack Nicolas golf clubs I bought probably in the late 1990s at Costco. I do not like graphite shafts on my drivers so I bought a few steel shaft ones instead at various garage sales over the years. It was a great sight at Mount Si golf driving range to see this a$$hole with his expensive Ping clubs hit some, "worm burners" on the driving range.

 

[Flopsweat]

As we know money doesn't always buy us wins or accuracy. I started out getting into golf in the early 90s. I drove all over the central Oregon coast and some of the Willamette Valley hand picking my clubs out of pawn shop wine barrels. I put together a mish mash set of standard irons and woods and grabbed a couple new wedges and a demo putter from Fiddler's Green. I played those for a few years from Manzanita to Florence and ended up with a decent set of Yamahas and the transition from steel shaft to graphite went how everybody would expect. I self taught. I had a little help from a gum shoe that was from down around Waldport that probably should've gave up his BS career and joined the tour. He really was that good. I never used handicaps I just kept score. So in 2005 I went all in and ordered a complete set of custom length, steel shafted Cobra's top of the line pro sticks and staff bag. If I didn't think I was the $hi+. I struggled a little with the Cobras and the voice in my head always told me I wish I would've hung onto to my pawn shop glory sticks. Around 2007 I dead quit and sold off the Cobra gear to a tour guy in Augusta. Just like guns or other sports equipment I've done just fine on the cheap but I prefer to spend the dough.

If you had spent some money on lessons and played twice a week for a few years you'd have gotten good use from some decent clubs. You'd probably also have gotten some advice on how to pick clubs that suit you. That's what I did. I had fun golfing for a good decade or so and really appreciated the set of clubs I had custom made. I still have the original irons from that set. If I start playing again I'll be happy to use them. Well, they're square cut so of course I'll use them.

 

[Tony617]

If you had spent some money on lessons and played twice a week for a few years you'd have gotten good use from some decent clubs. You'd probably also have gotten some advice on how to pick clubs that suit you. That's what I did. I had fun golfing for a good decade or so and really appreciated the set of clubs I had custom made. I still have the original irons from that set. If I start playing again I'll be happy to use them. Well, they're square cut so of course I'll use them.

My first set was sold to me by my best friend when I was in college. It consisted of a 2 and 3 driver and a few irons only. It was like a 3, 5, 9 iron and then there was another scrapped up nine iron for a pitching wedge, and then a putter. It was a white canvas bag and one side had huge grass stains since on one since it was set down the grass for putting. Not sure where he got them from. He was in the fire department so other fire may have sold him the basic set. I did play a lot of rounds of golf with that minimal set.

 

[Flopsweat]

My first set was sold to me by my best friend when I was in college. It consisted of a 2 and 3 driver and a few irons only. It was like a 3, 5, 9 iron and then there was another scrapped up nine iron for a pitching wedge, and then a putter. It was a white canvas bag and one side had huge grass stains since on one since it was set down the grass for putting. Not sure where he got them from. He was in the fire department so other fire may have sold him the basic set. I did play a lot of rounds of golf with that minimal set.

That's enough to get around the course. The clubs in between make it easier to be more accurate, but they don't make you better. On vacation once I watched a one-handed guy beat two guys with better clubs that mine. He damn near took me too. He carried about 6 clubs, said he didn't need the rest.

 

[Member 53328]

BRUH

It's not about actually BEING accurate, it's about talking about LOOKING like you're accurate. Jeeeeeez

Isn't that what Instagram is for?

 

[TTSX]

Isn't that what Instagram is for?

Gotta have me my boats 'n hoes

 

[Member 53328]

Gotta have me my boats 'n hoes

Ok Dan Bilzerian. Hahaha

 

[308Tom]

So I feel like I can tell the difference in weight and smoothness of a cheap parts kit trigger vs a $60 dollar BCM trigger like this: BCM® PNT Trigger Assembly AR15

But I can't imagine how much better a geissle (sp?) trigger could be that'd be worth an extra $200. Maybe competitive shooting? I'm not sure I could tell a difference in that jump...

School me on why it's worth the extra coin.

For me it depends on what kind of shooting you want to do. Precision or long range - trigger function becomes more and more important. On the other hand if your kicks come from ringing steel or simulated combat shooting inside a 100 yards then a high degree of accuracy and precision triggers become less important. Additionally the single or two stage comes into play - depending on what you plan to do. For me the Larue Tactical MBT-2 triggers find a nice middle ground at around $125.

 

[Flopsweat]

For me it depends on what kind of shooting you want to do. Precision or long range - trigger function becomes more and more important. On the other hand if your kicks come from ringing steel or simulated combat shooting inside a 100 yards then a high degree of accuracy and precision triggers become less important. Additionally the single or two stage comes into play - depending on what you plan to do. For me the Larue Tactical MBT-2 triggers find a nice middle ground at around $125.

Actually I find a lighter, shorter trigger pull helps me a lot when I'm shooting steel and silhouette. I'm more likely to use a single stage rather than a two stage, and I'll probably keep the trigger pull to at least 3.5 lbs, but I'm definitely faster and more accurate with a better trigger. Measurably so.

 

[rjmt]

I was shooting NRA High Power with a Colt AR15 back in 1990
even the Colt trigger sucked
when the Milazzo two stage trigger came out in '91, I was one of the first civilians to get one - never looked back
my grouping and scores improved the first range season
Geissele and Timney triggers today and worth every penny to me
why put on a Night Force scope if you still have a GI trigger

 

[TTSX]

I was shooting NRA High Power with a Colt AR15 back in 1990
even the Colt trigger sucked
when the Milazzo two stage trigger came out in '91, I was one of the first civilians to get one - never looked back
my grouping and scores improved the first range season
Geissele and Timney triggers today and worth every penny to me
why put on a Night Force scope if you still have a GI trigger

........to flex on the poors. We've been over this

 

[DizzyJ]

........to flex on the poors. We've been over this

I try not to flex anymore. I usually get a cramp.

 

[Hueco]

I was shooting NRA High Power with a Colt AR15 back in 1990
even the Colt trigger sucked
when the Milazzo two stage trigger came out in '91, I was one of the first civilians to get one - never looked back
my grouping and scores improved the first range season
Geissele and Timney triggers today and worth every penny to me
why put on a Night Force scope if you still have a GI trigger

Going by the classifieds here, it's more often the opposite…people spend a ton on triggers, parts in general…and then top the rifle with cheap optics.

 

[40Garand]

and then top the rifle with cheap optics.

9 times out of 10 my optics costs more than my guns. I just can't do Chinese swap meet, or airsoft grade accessories.

 

[TTSX]

Going by the classifieds here, it's more often the opposite…people spend a ton on triggers, parts in general…and then top the rifle with cheap optics.

*Cough* vortex *cough*

 

[TTSX]

9 times out of 10 my optics costs more than my guns. I just can't do Chinese swap meet, or airsoft grade accessories.

I try to keep it as close to 1:1 as I can, though sometimes the rifle isn't worth that much scope, or it's just ridiculous, such as rifles in .50bmg, .375 cheytac, etc etc that cost as much as a car by themselves