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  1. Andy

    Andy Aurora, OR Active Member

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    FIREARMS REFRESHER COURSE

    1. "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." -Thomas Jefferson
    2. "Those who trade liberty for security have neither." -John Adams
    3. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.
    4. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.
    5. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.
    6. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.
    7. You only have the rights you are willing to fight for.
    8. Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.
    9. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.
    10. Assault is a behavior, not a device.
    11. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.
    12. The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights Reserved.
    13. The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others.
    14. What part of 'shall not be infringed' do you NOT understand?
    15. Guns have only two enemies: rust and politicians.
    16. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.
    17. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.
     
  2. Cougfan2

    Cougfan2 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    Some other interesting quotes. Apologies for any duplications

    Importance of Self-Defense

    "Then He said to them ... and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one."
    -- Luke 22:36 (Jesus sending the disciples out on their own)
    "Fear no man what'er his size, for I am here to Equalize"
    -- Sam Colt ad slogan
    "...an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
    --Thomas Jefferson (and that goes for women, too!)
    "When seconds count, the police are only minutes away."
    --Anonymous
    "When a strong man armed keepth his palace, his goods are in peace."
    -- Luke 11:21
    "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life."
    -- Robert A. Heinlein, Beyond This Horizon, 1942
    "A man that hath a sword by his side shall have least occasion to make use of it."
    -- J. Trenchard & W. Moyle
    "The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave."
    --Andrew Fletcher
    "It's quicker to pull your Smith & Wesson than to dial 911."
    --Lt. Lowell Duckett, special asst. to DC Police Chief; President of the Black Police Caucus, Washington Post March 22, 1996.
    "Whether or not you need a 'man-stopper' isn't your choice, either. Who might you shoot? The guy who is threatening your life. That's the same guy that gets to decide if you've shot him enough. Convince him."
    -- Response to a question of caliber suitability (in this case, .22LR), on The High Road forum
    "It is better to be judged by 12 than carried by six."
    -Lt. Fess Hawkins, Greenville SC PD circa 1963 (not original)


    2nd Amendment - Founding Fathers

    "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of firearms."
    -- Thomas Jefferson
    "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes."
    --Thomas Jefferson
    "The said constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
    -- Samuel Adams
    "Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the people's liberty's teeth."
    --George Washington
    "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms."
    --James Madison
    "Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property... Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them."
    --Thomas Paine
    "The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference; they deserve a place with all that's good. When firearms go, all goes; we need them every hour."
    --George Washington
    "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."
    -- Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-8
    "The people have a right to keep and bear arms..."
    -- Henry and George Mason, Elliot, Debates at 185
    "Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing deradation that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense?
    -- Patrick Henry
    "A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined..."
    -- George Washington
    "A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercise, I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. ... Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks."
    -- Thomas Jefferson letter to Peter Carr, 1785
    "God grants liberty only to those who love it, and are always ready to guard and defend it.
    --Daniel Webster
    "The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
    -- Patrick Henry
    "One loves to possess arms, though they hope never to have occasion for them."
    --- Thomas Jefferson
    "The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."
    -- Thomas Jefferson
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
    -- Benjamin Franklin


    Unusual Sources

    "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest. "
    -- Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity. "
    - - Sigmund Freud, General Introduction to Psychoanalysis (1952)
    "A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the bourgeoisie."
    -- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
    "Americans have the will to resist because you have weapons. If you don't have a gun, freedom of speech has no power. "
    -- Yoshimi Ishikawa
    "I like automatic weapons. I fought for my right to use them in Vietnam."
    -- Oliver Stone, 1994
    "A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand."
    -- Lucius Annaeus Seneca, c. 4BC - 65AD.
    "Some princes, so as to hold securely the state, have disarmed their subjects.... But when you disarm them, you commence to offend them and show that you distrust them either through cowardice or lack of confidence, and both of these opinions generate hatred against you. And because the government cannot remain unarmed, it follows that the government turns to hired police. Therefore a wise prince has always distributed arms to the general population."
    -- Nicolo Machiavelli, The Prince, Chapter 20 (L. Ricci translation, pg. 105, 1952)
    "The Constitution of the United States of America clearly affirms the right of every American citizen to bear arms."
    -- Malcolm X, in Malcolm X at 337, J. Clarke ed. (New York, N.Y., 1969)
    "The unarmed man is not just defenseless - he is also contemptible."
    -- Machiavelli
    "I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
    -- Mark Twain
    "Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't." -Unknown


    True goals of ‘reasonable gun control’

    "Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal."
    -- Janet Reno
    "Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed."
    -- Sara Brady, Chairman, Handgun Control International
    "We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans..."
    -- Bill Clinton
    "A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the bourgeoisie."
    -- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin


    The failure of gun control

    "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes."
    -- Thomas Jefferson
    Australia, after the 1996 firearms ban:
    "Fatal shootings in Victoria have increased despite the introduction of tighter gun laws in 1996, a (AIC) study has found." State's gun deaths rise"
    - - Herald Sun - Victoria - 3/6/99
    "Queensland Police Commissioner Jim O'Sullivan yesterday expressed "grave concern" as the number of armed robberies across the state took a big jump for the second year running."
    -- Sunshine Coast Daily - 13/11/98
    "Crime involving guns is on the rise despite tougher laws. The number of robberies with guns jumped 39% in 1997 while assaults involving guns rose 28% and murders by 19%. (ABS figures)" - "Gun crime soars.."
    - - Sydney Morning Herald - 28/10/98
    "Robbery with a firearm increased nearly 60 per cent over the previous financial year."
    -- South Australian Police Annual Report - tabled in State Parliament 27/10/98
    "According to ABS figures, the number of people robbed at gunpoint in NSW rose from 827 (827) in 1996 to 1252 in 1997."
    -- Sunday Telegraph - Sydney - 14/3/98
     
  3. wavo

    wavo Portland Member

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    These are great! :thumbup:
     
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    jordanka16 Albany, OR Active Member

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    "The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country."

    -Adolf Hitler
     
  5. dario541

    dario541 medford, or 97504 Member

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    And it truly was a DEATH PENALTY offense for people in countries occupied by the Nazis to be caught with a GUN!
     
  6. clearconscience

    clearconscience Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    A couple more for you Thomas Jefferson fans.


    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

    The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first.

    “Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”


    The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.

    The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.

    Most bad government has grown out of too much government.

    History, in general, only informs us what bad government is.

    The man who reads nothing at all is better than educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.

    I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

    The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

    The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all.

    In matters of style, swim with the current;
    In matters of principle, stand like a rock.

    What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance?

    When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

    The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.

    “A great wave of oppressive tyranny isn't going to strike, but rather a slow seepage of oppressive laws and regulations from within will sink the American dream of liberty”

    There is no crueler tyranny than that which is perpetuated under the shield of law and in the name of justice.”
     
  7. Cougfan2

    Cougfan2 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    I'm really liking this thread. Keep 'em coming.
     
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    treemanx Spray, Or. Active Member

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    +1:thumbup:
     
  9. dario541

    dario541 medford, or 97504 Member

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    The pro-gun organization Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO) has a publication in which they report the massive slaughters that have taken place in countries that enacted gun bans during the 20th century. If you haven't read it, you should.
     
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    keizero Eugene New Member

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    Thanks for the Quotes - this is really good.
     
  11. clearconscience

    clearconscience Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense (waiting for an attack).

    The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental.


    1. Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.

    2 If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.

    3 I carry a gun cause a cop is too heavy.

    4 When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away.

    5 A reporter did a human-interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The reporter recognized the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked him 'Why do you carry a 45?' The Ranger responded, 'Because they don't make a 46.'

    6. The old sheriff was attending an awards dinner when a lady commented on his wearing his sidearm. 'Sheriff, I see you have your pistol. Are you expecting trouble?' 'No Ma'am. If I were expecting trouble, I would have brought my shotgun.'

    7. Beware the man who only has one gun. HE PROBABLY KNOWS HOW TO USE IT!!!

    But wait, there's more!

    I was once asked by a lady visiting if I had a gun in the house.. I said I did. She said 'Well I certainly hope it isn't loaded!' To which I said, 'Of course it is loaded -- can't work without bullets!' She then asked, 'Are you that afraid of someone evil coming into your house?' My reply was, 'No, not at all. I am not afraid of the house catching fire either, but I have fire extinguishers around, and they are all loaded, too.' To which I'll add, having a gun in the house that isn't loaded is like having a car in the garage without gas in the tank.
     
  12. clearconscience

    clearconscience Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From
    1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend
    themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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    In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917,
    1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were
    rounded up and exterminated.

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    Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to
    1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable
    to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated

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    China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952,
    20 million political dissidents, unable to defend
    themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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    Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to
    1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves,
    were rounded up and exterminated.

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    Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979,
    300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were
    rounded up and exterminated.

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    Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to
    1977, one million 'educated' people, unable to
    defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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    Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th
    Century because of gun control: 56 million.

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    It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia
    were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal
    firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program
    costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.
    The first year results are now in:

    Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent
    Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent
    Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

    In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are
    now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens
    turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still
    possess their guns!

    It will never happen here? I bet the Aussies said that too!

    While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady
    decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed
    drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals
    now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

    There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and
    assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a
    loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such
    monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully
    ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian
    experience and the other historical facts above prove it.

    You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear
    politicians disseminating this information.

    Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and
    property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only
    the law-abiding citizens.

    Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!

    The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please
    remind him of this history lesson.

    With Guns...........We Are 'Citizens'.
    Without Them........We Are 'Subjects'.

    During W.W.II the Japanese decided not to invade America
    because they knew most Americans were ARMED!

    Note: Admiral Yamamoto who crafted the attack on Pearl
    Harbor had attended Harvard U 1919-1921 & was Naval
    Attachment to the U. S. 1925-28. Most of our Navy was
    destroyed at Pearl Harbor & our Army had been deprived
    of funding & was ill prepared to defend the country.

    It was reported that when asked why Japan did not follow up
    the Pearl Harbor attack with an invasion of the U. S.
    Mainland, his reply was that he had lived in the U. S. &
    knew that almost all households had guns.
     
  13. clearconscience

    clearconscience Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    1. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a
    subject.
    2. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.
    3. Colt: The original point and click interface.
    4. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.
    5. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?
    6. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled
    words.
    7. "Free" men do not ask permission to bear arms.
    8. If you don't know your rights you don't have any.
    9. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.
    10. The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights
    reserved.
    11. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not
    understand?
    12. The Second Amendment is in place in case the
    politicians ignore the others.
    13. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.
    14. Guns only have two enemies: rust and politicians.
    15. Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace,
    no safety.
    16. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.
    17. 911 - government sponsored Dial-a-Prayer.
    18. Assault is a behavior, not a device
    19. Criminals love gun control -- it makes their jobs
    safer.
    20. If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson.
    21. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries
    to control them.
    22. You only have the rights you are willing to fight for.
    23. Enforce the "gun control laws" we ALREADY have, don't
    make more.
    24. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you
    create slaves.
    25. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.
    26. "A government of the people, by the people, for the
    people..."
    "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for
    those who do not."
    Thomas Jefferson
     
  14. dario541

    dario541 medford, or 97504 Member

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    How many of you are aware that the 1968 American gun law is taken almost word for word from the 1938 Nazi Germany gun law? The Jews for Preservation of Firearms ownership have the PROOF for this! 23 years after defeating Germany we're living living under the Nazi gun law!