Your "going for a walk" gun(s)?

[Outermostline]

I don't want to seem judgmental, but it seems to me the Kel-Tec P3AT and Ruger LCP (in .380 as well) possess a bit too much recoil (the word thrown about seems to be "snappy") as of late. Kel-Tec has since discontinued the pistol. (2022) for this reason.

Placing a "mid-bore" round in an uber-light pocket pistol is akin to putting dynamite in a tiny container. While it may be powerful, it may be uncomfortable and may disincline shooters, both experienced and novices, from putting in trigger time.

This is just "food for thought".

The bigger difference maker to me is the P32 holds 8 rounds instead of 7 in the flush magazines of both guns, and holds 11 rounds not 10 with the extended 10+ 1 magazine which is a 9+ 1 magazine for the P3AT, as well as locking back the slide on the final round of each mag which the P3AT doesn't do. Anyone who has fired a P32 can tell you that it has "lighter" recoil than a pocket .380, but still more than a .25 ACP or .22lr, so there are even better choices if you need as little recoil as possible in a pocket gun.

 

[gdog426654996]

I find these two items to be very effective. I don't know why, but many people are afraid of a big black German Shepherd. To that all I can say is "Never mind the dog, Beware of the owner"

 

[orygun]

I don't want to seem judgmental, but it seems to me the Kel-Tec P3AT and Ruger LCP (in .380 as well) possess a bit too much recoil (the word thrown about seems to be "snappy") as of late. Kel-Tec has since discontinued the pistol. (2022) for this reason.

Placing a "mid-bore" round in an uber-light pocket pistol is akin to putting dynamite in a tiny container. While it may be powerful, it may be uncomfortable and may disincline shooters, both experienced and novices, from putting in trigger time.

This is just "food for thought".

This is true. We've owned at least one TCP (Taurus, very similar to the LCP) for 15 years and I have the P3AT, too. They don't bother me and I can run them fast, but they have a bite to them that is a lot more than many people want.

 

[Medic!]

I don't want to seem judgmental, but it seems to me the Kel-Tec P3AT and Ruger LCP (in .380 as well) possess a bit too much recoil (the word thrown about seems to be "snappy") as of late. Kel-Tec has since discontinued the pistol. (2022) for this reason.

Placing a "mid-bore" round in an uber-light pocket pistol is akin to putting dynamite in a tiny container. While it may be powerful, it may be uncomfortable and may disincline shooters, both experienced and novices, from putting in trigger time.

This is just "food for thought".

I bet you're right. It may disincline some shooters.
But to others, not at all.


Recoil doesn't bother some people as much as others. I think a big part of tolerating recoil is psychological.
[Think people that can't help but flinch when they pull the trigger.]

And that probably doesn't make sense, or even seam possible to those it does mess with.



Now I'm not saying recoil doesn't affect people. We're all still subject to physics.
At some point follow up shots just won't be as fast with a gun that has more power to move things.

 

[Captain O]

The bigger difference maker to me is the P32 holds 8 rounds instead of 7 in the flush magazines of both guns, and holds 11 rounds not 10 with the extended 10+ 1 magazine which is a 9+ 1 magazine for the P3AT, as well as locking back the slide which the P3AT doesn't do. Anyone who has fired a P32 can tell you that it has "lighter" recoil than a pocket .380, but not as little as a .25 ACP or .22lr, so there are even better choices if you need as little recoil as possible in a pocket gun.

I have a married female friend who runs a Karaoke show and needs a small handgun. She isn't a shooter, and I have recommended that she obtain a "lightweight" .32 H&R Magnum revolver (Charter Arms "Undercoverette") due to its simplicity and simple manual of arms.

I'm not sure she could deal with the "snappy" recoil of the Ruger LCP.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

If I can't get the job done with the P32, I must be missing something (usually the target). At "bad breath" ranges, the .32 ACP (using Fiocchi 73-grain FMJ) is ballistically efficient enough to "break off" the attack of an aggressive dog (or human).

I can then escape and get help (or the County Coroner).

A lot of assumptions there. Remember we don't know what the attack will look like or when it will happen. That said, everyone should carry whatever they are comfortable with imo. A crack shot with a 32 that can perform well under duress just may beat a noob with something more powerful. Who knows.

 

[Alexx1401]

I don't want to seem judgmental, but it seems to me the Kel-Tec P3AT and Ruger LCP (in .380 as well) possess a bit too much recoil (the word thrown about seems to be "snappy") as of late. Kel-Tec has since discontinued the pistol. (2022) for this reason.

Placing a "mid-bore" round in an uber-light pocket pistol is akin to putting dynamite in a tiny container. While it may be powerful, it may be uncomfortable and may disincline shooters, both experienced and novices, from putting in trigger time.

This is just "food for thought".

The ultra light .380's, like the KT, and the models that Ruger makes are great but, that recoil is not for everyone. I have long warned anyone who wants one to try one out first. When Wife brought home an LCPII in .380 due to loving the trigger it went exactly as I suspected it would. She fired one round out of it and that was it. Too much for her. When I took it to give a test run my hand was bleeding after a couple hundred rounds from the new sharp grips. I would be especially careful for those who want to buy one of these for a Wife. LOT of people love them but, not everyone can handle them well.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

I bet you're right. It may disincline some shooters.
But to others, not at all.


Recoil doesn't bother some people as much as others. I think a big part of tolerating recoil is psychological.
[Think people that can't help but flinch when they pull the trigger.]

And that probably doesn't make sense, or even seam possible to those it does mess with.



Now I'm not saying recoil doesn't affect people. We're all still subject to physics.
At some point follow up shots just won't be as fast with a gun that has more power to move things.

Re recoil in tiny gun imo it is key to get used to it. For example sig p938 9mm is same size as .380 LCP. If one shoots it once every couple years it's gonna seem damned snappy (it is snappy). But if you get used to it, firing instinctively several shots you ride the recoil so to speak and it's no big deal. IMO slow fire is the enemy to training for real world scenario with such guns. Slow fire with a small snappy gun does not build confidence, it does the opposite to some extent. Anticipating recoil. In contrast drawing and firing several rounds at realistic ranges builds confidence. You know that anything that happens at those ranges you can put shots on target consistently, even under duress. My opinion is train for a real world scenario, ideally picturing it happening in your mind, then calmly draw and fire several shots. You won't even think about the recoil. But training slow fire you have time to think about the recoil and that is not how you will behave in a real scenario. So it is training for the wrong thing imo. 2 cents.

 

[Bobbygun]

my hand was bleeding after a couple hundred rounds

YOU are a glutton for punishment my friend!

 

[Oxygen Mask]

Call me MISTER FAFO...

 

[bradsteen]

Call me MISTER FAFO...

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[wdavey]

How in the world can you prefer either of those pistols to the 2.0? I'm not saying the 2.0 is the best wonder 380 in the whole world. But it seems a bit better than both of those you mentioned

I've just been looking for a solid, reliable answer as to why the BG 2.0 is NOT a good pocket pistol. I'll open carry a 357 mag, but this thing looks like such a great option for lighter travel. Preferable to the 22s my friends seem to want to carry for personal defense!

 

[Captain O]

I went to the Wolf Creek Public Shooting Lanes (in the Tillamook National Forest) and took the LCP as well as the new (to me) 1965 Charter Arms Undercover for their 'first outing'. They both shot well.

The Ruger LCP wasn't as "snappy" as I thought it would be (in fact, it is rather controllable). The Undercover is rather handy and shot well with standard-pressure 158-grain RNL. I'll get back to everyone after I have taken the Kel-Tec P32 out.

 

[Jbsheepdog]

I've just been looking for a solid, reliable answer as to why the BG 2.0 is NOT a good pocket pistol. I'll open carry a 357 mag, but this thing looks like such a great option for lighter travel. Preferable to the 22s my friends seem to want to carry for personal defense!

Ive yet to find an answer my self, been carrying it daily for quite a while and it's fantastic

 

[zobieman99]

I've just been looking for a solid, reliable answer as to why the BG 2.0 is NOT a good pocket pistol. I'll open carry a 357 mag, but this thing looks like such a great option for lighter travel. Preferable to the 22s my friends seem to want to carry for personal defense!

it's the one i carry in a pocket holster and it's so convenient

 

[Captain O]

I truly believe the P32 and the .380 LCP are a good answer to the "get off me" handgun. Contrary to popular belief, a flurry of well-placed .32 FMJ bullets can (and often do) put an end to a malefactor's advances.

 

[Alexx1401]

I truly believe the P32 and the .380 LCP are a good answer to the "get off me" handgun. Contrary to popular belief, a flurry of well-placed .32 FMJ bullets can (and often do) put an end to a malefactor's advances.

ANY gun you have ALWAY'S beats the "better gun" you left home. A LOT of "confrontations" from jerks end as soon as a gun is in the would be victims hand. None of them want to put the old adage of "it will piss them off" to the test. The one warning about the P3, LCP, LCPII, in .380 is they are not for everyone. The recoil is "stout". Too stout for many. Wife made the mistake of buying an LCPII in .380 due to loving the trigger. Then she fired one round out of it and it became mine. The little .32 now those are FAR easier to shoot.

 

[Captain O]

After I took the little LCP out and burned through a few rounds, I realized the locked-breech pistol was pretty darned handy! I'm willing to bet the P32 will be a breeze!

 

[wjv]

LCP Max or S&W Model 442 (.38)