Yes, the species that has been reintroduced in Idaho and Montana that has migrated into Oregon IS NOT a native species to Oregon and as such should be considered invasive. It is a species of Canadian timber wolf that is approx. 70 lbs. larger than its sub species cousin that was indigenous to this area, and given that all prey animals in an ecosystem evolve to survive native predators, they are not genetically prepared to out run, elude and survive an invasion of a species of such size and mass. Look at Australia, New Zealand or Hawaii for your answer to your question as to what happens when a non-native species is thrown into the mix. Having read your posts on other articles, I believe you already know this.As in hunting wolves? Any reason for hunting wolves?
Wolves were killed off for a reason. Now they are being forced back on us. By animal rights organizations with giant neverending bankrolls. Now if we are going to be forced to accept this, the ranchers need to have the freedom to protect their livestock. Predators need strict management.There were wolves in Oregon before man killed the species off - wolves belong here in Oregon - pertty simple - I do not necessarily classifiy them as endangered. I do feel that the primary reason why the people do not want them here is because it might get in the way of thier hunting. Hunting is not a right - hunting is a sport in todays world - one that I enjoy myself. There are not that many wolf in Oregon. Get over it.
" I would like this statement verified "they also KILL FOR SPORT about the same number, yes, kill for sport. " as I do not beleive it. Even if it is true no animal kills more for sport than a human now days.
DO I even have to say that wolves were here first? people do fine with or without wolves. Wolves really depend on us to not exterminate them for whatever reasons you've come up with. Ranchers losing a tiny amount of stock and hunters losing a tiny amount of game isnt a good reason to displace one of our few big predators.Wolves were killed off for a reason. Now they are being forced back on us. By animal rights organizations with giant neverending bankrolls. Now if we are going to be forced to accept this, the ranchers need to have the freedom to protect their livestock. Predators need strict management.
Just because the city folk want to see them on their little forays into the country, is not a good reason to let them run rampant. I understand the game population belongs to the state. The state will suffer when the revenues drop, cause game numbers are down.
But the question is, will you reimburse the ranchers every time they lose a cow, sheep, pig, whatever, to the wolves? Because it costs them their livelihood, everytime one of these "protected predators" kills their animals.
That meat in the little styrofoam containers at the grocery store, doesn't just magically appear out of nowhere. :winkkiss:
Hunting may be a sport to the rich dudes, that pay $5-$10K for a trophy animal. But for most people, it's a source of damn fine meat. Nothin better than venison, and you know where it came from and how it was handled. Can't say that about the store bought meat,,,
You appreciate intelligent responses, yet you won't do the work yourself to prove YOUR case. If you believe you're right, then do the legwork and find your own statistics to make your point. Bugeye is annoying as ****, but he still makes the effort to back up his words with facts, regardless of the political/ethical leanings of said facts' source.I feel that we have a much larger problems with our cougars in Oregon - yet we still cannot hunt them with dogs legally. To me in compariosn to the cougar problems - the wolves are pretty small imapct.
Spitpatch - I appreciate your intelligent response - thank you - but I still feel that the wolves need to be here. Wolves were here originally and the same type should be here in oregon. We get back to how the ODFW screws things up once again. Kind of like having Pike in a pond - killing that species off and transplanting Tiger Musky and the complaing that the pond can no longer support that species.
Does anyone or can anyone provide actual statistics on the damage done to the wild life by wolves or maybe even compare that to the amount of damage that cougars do in comparison.