Im not talking about on this forum, but if guns comes up as a talking subject amongst me and a fellow enthusiast and I ever mention buying LG402 CTC grips for my Beretta M9 a lot of people immediately start talking down laser sights. I will admit that you should not become overly dependent on them and still be trained to use the iron sights if, for example, your battery runs out (Ive had mine for 2 years and it still works) but I can also see benefits that most people fail to highlight such as if your in a confined place and can't get in a stance to look down the iron sights, you can still accurately put "metal on meat" or center mass with the aid of a laser. The last guy I was talking to, I wasn't bothered at first but I think he didn't know a damn thing about laser sights despite acting like he did, because he said after going through a magazine the sights would be off. Mine take an Hexagonal wrench that came with the sights to adjust it and last time I had them checked I was told they were dead on despite firing several magazines through them. Not to mention I seem to get a better grip on the LG402 grips than I did the ones that came with the handgun from the factory. Oh well if anyone can answer why laser grips get such a bad reputation as being too gimmicky or actually tipping a fire fight in the bad guys favor, could someone please explain to me why? Also as a side note, does anyone know a range around St. Louis (asides antire) that DOESN'T charge like $17 just for an hour at the range? Antire is cheap, but you can't practice double tap or quick firing a magazine (range rules says you have to space time between shots of 3 seconds) due to it being a family oriented range, might scare kids shooting their fathers .22. And if you break a rule they get on the loud speaker and embarrass you in front of everyone. I would enjoy going shooting more often but can't find an affordable range. They hock the membership to you, but I don't reload and can't afford to shoot often enough to make a $200 or so membership be a worthwhile investment. Between ammunition, booth rental and $.50 a target, I spend about $60 if I go shooting, needless to say, I seldom shoot.