When Should You Shoot a Cop

[unklekippy]

Anyone thinking the Blue Gang is on your side is delusional. The idea that the bad ones are a "tiny fraction" is even more laughable.

If you don't realize that you are on your own, that the fuzz is not on your side, if you think that they will be around to protect you and not disarm you and leave you to die defenseless as soon as they get the "shelter in place" order followed shortly by Martial Law being declared, you have drank the Kool-Aid.

I have no feeling for police. They can live or die, I do not care. The good ones end up jaded by the state of society and end up in league with the bad ones eventually. All you have to do is read a book like Serpico to realize the extent of corruption. Then view some videos of the illegal police tactics that have become the norm. Since when do we pay a force of thugs to intimidate us?

If the chips are on the table and the police are at your door demanding your firearms because society has deteriorated THAT much, you'd be better served plugging yourself than willfully handing over your only chance of survival. I can use Katrina as an example. How can anyone think that a police force that wants to take your weapons when you need them the most is on your side? How could it be possible that when an armed, looting, murdering thug could be just around the corner, the "good guys" will take your defense and leave you alone and helpless?

No one gets shot in my house until they break the door down. At that point, I couldn't possibly care less how the intruders are dressed. I am not required to put my and my families lives in the hands of those that oppress us. Just because an illegal police force says so will never be enough reason for me to effectively cut my families throat.

 

[unklekippy]

Quoting Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn looks like it lends credence to the OP's "Definitive Video". It promotes irrational fear, and incites people who don't think very well for themselves to try dumb things. I'm talking about the guy that decides he is going to "exercise his rights" with an AR15 strapped on his back, while he shops for groceries, and ends up being burdened with a legal battle he cannot win, and a black eye for the entire 2A community. This is a conversation that speaks to a possible outcome in the future, so we are already borrowing trouble by having these kinds of discussions. As a result of these discussions, some folks are going to draw some dangerous lines in their minds, stupid conclusions, half baked notions. A very few will act on them. Another Black eye, more battles, less freedom, more police, self fulfilling prophecy. Cops already worry about getting home alive to their families, It's not like making them more jumpy is going to accomplish anything good, ask Randy Weaver.

Whoa. We can't have conversations because they lead to trouble? Are we still in America?

Vickie and Sammie Weaver were killed because Randy wouldn't rat on an Aryan group, not because he made police "jumpy". They shot Sammie's dog unannounced, then when he killed one of the thugs, they shot him. They told his family that they were cops HOURS later. If you're going to use the reference of Americans being murdered by police, tell the story right. The Weaver's did NOTHING to get what they got.

 

[chariot13]

Quoting Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn looks like it lends credence to the OP's "Definitive Video", ask Randy Weaver.

Glad you brought up Randy Weaver, in regards to the OP "Definitive Video" the shooting and killing of US Marshal (police officer) Bill Degan was justified by Kevin Harris.... As the title above asks, When should you shoot a cop? Well that was one of those instances that you most certainly can and should.

"Kevin Harris was also indicted for the first-degree murder of DUSM Bill Degan, but the charge was dismissed on grounds of double jeopardy because he had been acquitted in the federal criminal trial on the same charge in 1993."

"The attorney for Kevin Harris pressed Harris's civil suit for damages, although federal officials vowed they would never pay someone who had killed a U.S. Marshal. In September 2000, after persistent appeals, Harris was awarded a $380,000 settlement from the government."

How you like dem apples?

 

[unklekippy]

Remember kids, if the cops demand information on an Aryan group that you barely know, you'd better come up with something quick or the cops will have the right to shoot your 14 year old son in the back and blow your wifes brain all over your newborn daughter that she is holding.

But if they come to the door for your guns, be sure to comply! They are here to "Protect and Serve". It says so right on their cars and gang shirts.

 

[Caveman Jim]

You will have a little less than a second before that flash grenade detonates in your foyer to decide!!! After that you are fair game... Just sayin

 

[Burt Gummer]

"Protect and Serve". It says so right on their cars and gang shirts.

 

[Don H]

Quoting Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn looks like it lends credence to the OP's "Definitive Video"

I quoted Solzhenitsyn for his 20-20 hindsight.. I haven't even watched the video. I agree with Burt, "YOU even point a gun in a cop's direction and you are done"

 

[Jammer Six]

I think those of you who truly believe that the police are against you should go start arresting them. Otherwise, it's just words.

 

[BoonDocks36]

I think those of you who truly believe that the police are against you should go start arresting them. Otherwise, it's just words.

Utter nonsense.

Self Control.... Even on your key board...

Posts like above cause to wonder what medications are you Abusing...

Sorry, but I have seen better looking ~bait~, try fishing elsewhere....

philip
in the BoonDocks, Spinners work nice, but a real live Worm is better....

 

[Fast Eddie]

Whoa. We can't have conversations because they lead to trouble? Are we still in America?

Vickie and Sammie Weaver were killed because Randy wouldn't rat on an Aryan group, not because he made police "jumpy". They shot Sammie's dog unannounced, then when he killed one of the thugs, they shot him. They told his family that they were cops HOURS later. If you're going to use the reference of Americans being murdered by police, tell the story right. The Weaver's did NOTHING to get what they got.

I lived in Spokane when that went down, I dispute none of the facts in the Weaver case. I use Randy Weaver as a case in point, even when it is justified, it's not good. He would probably agree with me about this. I feel aweful for him and his family. I'm not trying to censor any conversations either, just pointing out that there are others that are influenced by what they hear and read. Ted kaczynski and Tim McVeigh would love this video.

 

[Fast Eddie]

I quoted Solzhenitsyn for his 20-20 hindsight.. I haven't even watched the video. I agree with Burt, "YOU even point a gun in a cop's direction and you are done"

One of the things I've learnt on the innernets is that sometimes we agree more than disagree, and sometimes we have a hard time landing on that together, due to the parsing of words and whatnot. I believe if our Russian friend, had acted out, what burned in his heart, He would be dead, he may have found that preferable, but it would have been the likely outcome. I agree with Burt too. Detente can usually be reached by rational people.

 

[bellarum]

If it was time to draw my firearm to eliminate a threat to me or my family, that I felt was legitimate, it wouldn't matter who was in my sights.

 

[taylor]

There are really some negative depressing bastards on this forum. Some guy's who just can't wait for the collapse or catastrophe to strike, rubbing their hands in anticipation. All I know is how I would act if I was a cop in desperate times; I would do whatever is necessary to help those who need help, I would not leave people undefended or take their arms. I believe in the need to preserve what is good in civilization, that man can act with nobility and not become a savage beast. I have friends who were LEO and would have given their lives without hesitation for a worthy cause. I believe there are many officers who are decent moral men of conscience who we can count on, who wouldn't bury their badges.

 

[Certaindeaf]

You should never shoot a cop.





























They's a piece a crap.

 

[billdeserthills]

Well, you have totally convinced! All that remains is for you gum flapping bubblegummers to publish your phone number so when SHTF I can count on you to protect me! Taylor said it well. They all are doing a job not too many people sign up for. Most do an average job of it, a small percentage are outstanding, and an even smaller percentage belong in prison. Hmmm....sounds like a microcosm of the rest of society. Ya want to change society? Than get off your a$$ in front of your computer, complaining to the rest of the world and do something about it.

Yes!
All I need now is a special costume & a new nickname

 

[BoonDocks36]

You don't even need a special ~Costume~ But generally, your fellow Officers ~will supply~ You with aNick Name, so aftr you are Sworn in, to Protect & Serve, make sure to not Screw Up, that first year... Them names are hard to shake!!;!

And, be ready to loose the (not real) friends, and develop even closer relationships With your Real Friends.

I know that from personal experiance, having Only Talked to the Sherriff about the OJT Deputy SO position, I might as well have grown a Horn out of my head, or developed Leprosy, for ~discussing~ The job. I already WORKED in the Court House, as a custodian... They saw me every court night, And I might add, carrying, Concealed, Washington Permit! But they knew:

1. I had no place to store it,
2. I worked NIGHTS, walking home at Zero Dark Thirty,
3. I was a "good guy".



Philip,
I learned a lot, of what ~Real Friendship~ Is, by thems that knew "me" and that I would be Good Law & Order.... Still am, just doing it as a OathKeeper, Militia of One, as the saying goes.

Don't Pee on my leg, and tell me it is rain, do the Correct thing....

 

[Stomper]

As to the question of the OP?


When evil becomes law, and they attempt to enforce it... We may yet live long enough to see that day.

 

[Kevinkris]

kinda makes me wonder why no one has started a petition on wethepeople.gov to have an aggression clause added to the constitution if someone is violating your rights. i mean, we are trying to get the same language added to an international treaty for syria right now.

 

[Nightcrawler]

I think the fear is not so much of the small minority of bad cops now, although it seems to be growing or just a case of more incidents make it in to the news. I think the real concern: IS HOW WILL THE local LEOS ACT WHEN THEY ARE TOLD to confiscate firearms because the president suspend the 2A or because Kerry signed the UN Small Arms Treaty..... how will they react? I think we all pretty much know the federal agents will do as they are told. See, now all those formerly law abiding citizens are not law abiding, they are criminals because they own illegal firearms. Can't happen???
Boy I sure hope you doubting thomas' are correct. But I am not holding my breath.

Brutus Out

I'll bet that there's a VERY high percentage who simply view it as a job. I don't know but a few who I think would be part of reneging on their promises to uphold the Constitution of the United States, against all enemies, foreign and domestic. I took that oath in the military, and again for my current job. I'll be too busy protecting my own property, my rights, and my family, to worry about what firearms you might have purchased legally that the socialists are trying to take . . .

 

[clambo]

The cops are not your friend. I have drilled this into my familys heads and I hope it sticks. I completely agree with Burt Gummer about not doing things to attract the attention of " The Man. " In the event of SHTF its every man for himself. In the event of saving my life same applies. Regardless of whether or not my enemy wears a badge or uniform. Having said that, it disturbs me that we have a thread discussing the shooting of cops here at NWFA. I vote we lock this thread.