What is this?

[arakboss]

Anybody know what this is.

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[Certaindeaf]

Adjustable shot thrower/dipper.

 

[arakboss]

Adjustable shot thrower/dipper.

Edit: I believe it had a spent primer in the bottom. I am requesting a photo of the bottom side to confirm. It may have been a fake primer, snap cap type? There doesn't appear to be any carbon in the exit side.

 

[Local Loader]

What did it come out of, box, weapon or casing?

 

[Andy54Hawken]

I was leaning in the direction of a adjustable shot thrower....until I notice the hole in the bottom of the "cup".
( So to speak)

Now I am thinking that it is the very rare , one of kind* ....Whatisit Dohickey , made my ACME and sold through a famous salesman known only as Wylie ....
Andy

* I say one of a kind ....'cause its the only one pictured here....

 

[Local Loader]

More pictures please.

 

[arakboss]

What did it come out of, box, weapon or casing?

The guy picked it up at a gun range. I failed to take a picture of the primer side and requested that he do so and send me the photo. I bought some primers from him today and he asked me what I thought it was. It looked to be about the size of a 9mm if the bottom part was pushed into the top part.

 

[Knobgoblin]

Kinda, maybe, but probably not.

 

[Local Loader]

Possible giving the similarities it could have been loaded with rubber bullets.

 

[arakboss]

Possible giving the similarities it could have been loaded with rubber bullets.

I thought about that but why would it need to be telescoping?

 

[Local Loader]

I thought about that but why would it need to be telescoping?

Needs a lower powder charge or it would shatter the rubber.

 

[sobo]

Anybody know what this is.


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Edit: I believe it had a spent primer in the bottom. I am requesting a photo of the bottom side to confirm. It may have been a fake primer, snap cap type? There doesn't appear to be any carbon in the exit side.

I'm gonna go with Simunitions or UTM training rounds.

Here's a few pics of a spent 9mm Simunition UTM cartridge from one of my force-on-force trainings.
Does what you have look similar?







EDIT:
Changed Simunitions to UTM

 

[arakboss]

Simunitions?

Here's a few pics of a spent 9mm Simunition cartridge from one of my trainings. Does it look similar?

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That does look similar, how does it function?

 

[ColeInOregon]

Looks like UTM training ammo, probably one of their man marker rounds.

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[sobo]

Looks like UTM training ammo, probably one of their man marker rounds.

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The stuff in my post above is actually UTM ammo. Says so right on the side of the cartridge. I went back and edited my initial post to correct that.
It also has that same "RH" mark on the side, just like the stuff in your top pic.

 

[sobo]

That does look similar, how does it function?

See @ColeInOregon's post below yours, showing the cutaways.
The cartridge fires a solid wax-filled marking round that really smarts if you're not wearing enough protection. See pics below.

My very first experience with UTM ammo, I was squared off with an opponent from the previous year's course at about 7 yards. This guy had been through the drill the year before, and I was the n00b. I was wearing those fingerless, "village idiot" gloves, so I could be sure to work the trigger properly. Didn't think for a minute that I would get hit on the ends/tips of my fingers. That first duel changed my opinion on that, toot-sweet! When you're in a "gunfight", with both of you aiming for/shooting at center mass, your fingers are gonna get hit.


These 3 wounds were under-the-arm hits when engaged in a 3-shooter scenario, much like the gunfight scene near the end of The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. The scenario had three of us pitted against each other, separated at 120˚ angles, with a single barrel each for cover. The instructor arranged it such that if you sought cover from one shooter, then the other shooter could get you, if he was paying attention. I shot Shooter #1 a few times while he was behind his cover and engaged with Shooter #2, then I ducked back behind my barrel to reload. When I did, Shooter #2 was able to catch me with a few well-placed shots under my left arm that smarted like all hell. That was through a sweatshirt. But all in all, that drill taught me a lot about the use and limitations of cover!

 

[arakboss]

See @ColeInOregon's post below yours, showing the cutaways.
The cartridge fires a solid wax-filled marking round that really smarts if you're not wearing enough protection.
See here:

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What propels the wax round, is it reloadable or one time use?

 

[arakboss]

Looks like UTM training ammo, probably one of their man marker rounds.

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That is probably what it is. The guy mentioned that law enforcement did train there but he didn't say what range it was.

 

[ColeInOregon]

@arakboss judging by the cut away I'd imagine it could be reloaded, I'll watch for your home made and experimental thread on the subject.

 

[sobo]

What propels the wax round, is it reloadable or one time use?

There is little to no powder in them. Mostly propelled by the primer alone.
One-time use. Muzzle velocity is about 500 fps.
They can really smart if your skin isn't covered, as my pics above will attest.

If you've never tried FOF training with Simunition or UTM ammo, I highly recommend it.
You'll learn a helluva lot that you'll never be able to learn with live ammo... for obvious reasons.