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What authority does store security have to detain you?

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Koda, Aug 8, 2015.

  1. Koda

    Koda Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    I'm curious what authority does store security, employees/managers etc. have to detain you if say some over zealous store employee mistakes you for shoplifting or whatever?

    is this the same for mall cops, rent-a-cops, contracted security etc. ?

    Lets say your out shopping anywhere retail and some over-zealous employee or store security person mistakes you for shoplifting or whatever and stops you from leaving? Can they do that? Can they use physical force? and what else can they lawfully do, search you?

    Just curious.

    p.s. I almost posted this in the general discussion but I’m mainly curious how this applies to an un-armed person but am also curious how this applies to a legally armed person.
     
  2. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    I think it's an "observe and report" type deal. They might bounce your head off the concrete for the fun of it though. never know
     
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  3. SHPD_Retired

    SHPD_Retired Saint Helens Well-Known Member

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    They have the same authority as a private citizen making a citizens arrest. They can detain but are liable if they are wrong.
     
  4. U201491

    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    Yes they can stop and detain you, but if they are wrong the liability on them will be beyond huge. Also, anyone can make a citizen arrest, but the ramifications of doing it wrong will haunt you for years.
    I once disarmed a man that pointed a handgun at me and made a citizens arrest. He was out on bail 3 hours before I finished the paperwork.
    Better analyze things well before acting.
    If you are detained without cause demand police presence or call them yourself.
     
  5. Koda

    Koda Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    good advice, thanks for the replies. So essentially they can detain you by placing you under citizens arrest, this means....
    the cops better be on the way.
    they cant physically touch you (unless you really are stealing... *)
    they cant search you

    So how long does one have to wait for the cops to arrive before you can walk away?


    *for this discussion no one is breaking any law.
     
  6. DuneHopper

    DuneHopper Douglas County. Well-Known Member

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    The best way to look at this is your home is private property a store is too. You can detain a person if as was already said there is very good cause. Now sadly the detainment by police and the standard to do so is much lower then a citizen. And is why the store records the action of shoplifting. If they just think you did it and then grab and hold you and you did nothing you could return the favor and file assault charges, the difference in your home is intruders are not invited, therefore you can detain more easily.
     
  7. Dyjital

    Dyjital Albany, Ore Flavorite Member Bronze Supporter

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    Interesting. I've watched the theft people work before in stores and catching the perps.

    I can't imagine how that would work if I were the one they were coming after. "Don't you lay a hand on me, sir you need to take a step back right now... right now..."
     
  8. Koda

    Koda Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    I have to disagree, the store opened their doors to the public but a homeowner does not for an intruder. Much different situation.
     
  9. Koda

    Koda Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    this makes me think. Were law abiding citizens and we didn’t shoplift so....

    we would also have the right to self defense if the story security tried to physically detain you.
     
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  10. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    Same as that cat that tried to drive away without a front license plate not long ago. Knock yourself out.
     
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  11. Koda

    Koda Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    that wasnt a mall-cop he was driving away from
     
  12. ZA_Survivalist

    ZA_Survivalist Oregon AK's all day.

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    They have none. They can only trespass you.
    Tell them to fly a kite.
     
  13. jbett98

    jbett98 NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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  14. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    Campus security.. semantics dead same. anyway what?
     
  15. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    'tis getting close to the shopping season, no? lol
     
  16. Koda

    Koda Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    my bad, I thought you were talking about the recent police shooting. I know nothing of a campus security incident.


    to clarify, Im not suggesting anyone fight back.... but if youve done nothing wrong and some over-zealous mall cop tries to pin you you could be injured so.... plus it get worse if your legally armed.
     
  17. Koda

    Koda Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    wasnt he actually shoplifing?

    edit--- the store has a right to set policy to shop there
     
  18. Koda

    Koda Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    akkk dont remind me of that, too soon. lol
     
  19. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    I don't steal, (let alone cheap Chinese plastic crap) and have at times thought that it would be quite amusing (for me) to explain that "odd shape" under my shirt to store "security".... What's that under my shirt you ask? Y'all sell well used 45 caliber Glocks? No? Well OK then, move along Paul Blart. :rolleyes:
     
  20. DuneHopper

    DuneHopper Douglas County. Well-Known Member

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    Umm isn't that what I said :)
     
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