We need to help our bother in California

[U201491]

So your saying ca. is a exceptable loss the pro gun people don't count anymore, we have plenty of people to fight without them. Now you are falling in line with the anti's divide and conquer. Just let them chip away a little at a time.

The fight for the 2nd is a National fight. The antis count on winning little battles until they have you all. We have to help fight all anti 2nd battles. Anyone that takes a defeatist attitude and then tries to get others to not fight is not on the right side. Creating defeatists is part of the lefts agenda !
People that have reached out and helped other cities and states have helped win many 2nd Amendment battles. Let no one talk you out of helping. Most of us can walk and chew gum and still he alert at our own level, so when anyone tries to stop you from helping in the fight anywhere, begin to question their motives ! THIS IS A BATTLE FOR AMERICA.....PERIOD !

 

[U201491]

Antis have done their job getting people to become complacent in this fight and in thinking "I'll just be concerned with my own little area"
Step back take a breath, clear your head and kick those thoughts out of your head. Do not let anyone let you believe you will be safe just being concerned with your own space. It is an easy path to follow and I see many here doing just that. Someone put that in your head and they were not a friend.
People are actually trained to create defeatists. To become apathetic. No I am not joking.
As an example, The Soviet Union actually took kids and raised them to he Americans, or British and others, so they would act, think, talk like the people in the regions they were to he sent to do their espionage and spread their propaganda and get into peoples minds and convert them to communist thinking. They were and are pros at subversion.
There are leftists on simple boards like this that do the same thing. Its hard for people to admit they have been duped over time, but it is easily done. Do not allow your thoughts to be manipulated that way any longer. This fight is not just a local fight. It is a National fight and every real pro America, pro Constitution, Pro 2nd Amendment person needs to backtrack to where your thoughts began to get warped and turn that around and against the marxists, communists, anti American vermin in our midst. To win the war, we have to begin winning battles and so do those in other regions of the US, and to do that, ALL pro 2nd people must lock arms and win at all levels. This is not just an in my backyard fight any longer.
Those that instill defeatism are the enemy, not the ally ! Get yourself up and out of that trap.

 

[U201491]

NEVER GIVE IN NEVER GIVE UP>

 

[Cuthbert Allgood]

While driving down to Southern Oregon once a week, I have scrawled "go home, Californians. You're not welcome here!" into the dirt on the rear of one of the trailers I've used whilst making deliveries. The people of Southern Oregon smile upon thy tractor-trailer. I'm seeing more Commiefornians on I-5 in Oregon and Wasington much more lately than normal.

People are foolish if they think Governor Moonbeam is going to change his tune. That idiot will sign anything that is "progressive."

 

[U201491]

While driving down to Southern Oregon once a week, I have scrawled "go home, Californians. You're not welcome here!" into the dirt on the rear of one of the trailers I've used whilst making deliveries. The people of Southern Oregon smile upon thy tractor-trailer. I'm seeing more Commiefornians on I-5 in Oregon and Wasington much more lately than normal.

People are foolish if they think Governor Moonbeam is going to change his tune. That idiot will sign anything that is "progressive."

Never Give in, Never give up til the fat lady sings.
He can still veto it. Likelihood of that....probably not, but again, miracles have happened.
The left didn't think a recall would work in Colorado either, but they got their azzes kicked.

Just keep the pressure on till the ink is on the paper.

 

[billdeserthills]

Precisely. Keep Fascists in power for 30+ years, then pretend someone else needs to jump in to do their fighting for them. I though CA was such an incredible place that they could break off from the Union and be just fine? Well, let them eat the cake they've been baking in that Socialist oven for all this time.

I know I mentioned CA stealing our water, but did I mention CA stealing our power? 'Cuz they do that to. At some point you just gotta get into that bed you've made.

Cali gets water & power from arizona as well, but I'm pretty sure they pay top buck for it.
If they are stealing it from Your state mebbe You have some e-mails to send as well...

 

[billdeserthills]

But it's an utter WASTE of time.

It's peeing in the wind.

And it's WRONG.

I don't want MY state legislators paying atention to what some out-of-state jerk has to say. Neither do Californians. If you care so much, move to California and change minds. -G/L with that.

Seems simple to me, when people care about guns & they care about America -They can easily spend a minute to make themselves heard, well if You don't Care, I can't make You.

No out of state politician has made any unspoken agreement to not bother politicians in Your state, if so we wouldn't have bloombergs crime-committing mayors group now. Politicians Do care what people think, it's in their best interest to dance correctly when placed in the public eye. I'm sure the recent recall in Colorado hasn't been lost on any politician yet either. As I said, I can't make you care, you care or you don't.
Now how did that work all those years ago...
Something like,
First they came for the socialists,
But I was not a socialist...
I bet you have read it before somewhere
Hows about this one;
United We Stand--
Divided We what??

 

[Netspirit]

But it's an utter WASTE of time.
And it's WRONG.

No dude, you are wrong.

Gun owners are numerous but still a clear minority nation-wide. We have been winning some battles because we are more passionate, better organized, have a hobby that unites us and forums like this one where politics and tech coexist.

A minority cannot afford to lock up. Like-minded people survive by helping each other.

When we have a major battle here in WA (and we soon will), when every vote, every e-mail, every phone call, every donated $1 counts, the last thing I will want to hear from a fellow Californian: "

Helping Pacific Northwest?

Pfff... it's an utter WASTE of time.
It's peeing in the wind.
And it's WRONG.
If you care so much, more to WA and change minds. -G/L with that.

"

Mobile warfare it is. There are no physical borders between our states. People are on the move, political landscapes change. We are all wired together - we share the same gun culture, same federal laws and restrictions. The 2A exists for all of us. Lose it, state by state, and one day Congress will deprive you of your rights in that last remaining cozy little escape that you worked so hard to create.

 

[billdeserthills]

Never Give in, Never give up til the fat lady sings.
He can still veto it. Likelihood of that....probably not, but again, miracles have happened.
The left didn't think a recall would work in Colorado either, but they got their azzes kicked.

Just keep the pressure on till the ink is on the paper.

They did get their azzes kicked too-So well in fact that:

Gun control advocates say Colorado recall stifling effort in Congress | Fox News


So Don't Make Gun Owners be Divided-Together We Are Stronger

 

[U201491]

No dude, you are wrong.

Gun owners are numerous but still a clear minority nation-wide. We have been winning some battles because we are more passionate, better organized, have a hobby that unites us and forums like this one where politics and tech coexist.

A minority cannot afford to lock up. Like-minded people survive by helping each other.

When we have a major battle here in WA (and we soon will), when every vote, every e-mail, every phone call, every donated $1 counts, the last thing I will want to hear from a fellow Californian: "

Helping Pacific Northwest?

Pfff... it's an utter WASTE of time.
It's peeing in the wind.
And it's WRONG.
If you care so much, more to WA and change minds. -G/L with that.

"

Mobile warfare it is. There are no physical borders between our states. People are on the move, political landscapes change. We are all wired together - we share the same gun culture, same federal laws and restrictions. The 2A exists for all of us. Lose it, state by state, and one day Congress will deprive you of your rights in that last remaining cozy little escape that you worked so hard to create.

You better believe it is the right thing to do. Together, gun owners are unbeatable. Those that would have you believe otherwise are not on the right side. Keep the fight strong and tenacious.

 

[unklekippy]

Cali gets water & power from arizona as well, but I'm pretty sure they pay top buck for it.
If they are stealing it from Your state mebbe You have some e-mails to send as well...

I guess in all fairness, they stole it n the late '90's and early '00's. Whether they are paying "top dollar" for it now or not, I don't honestly know. It was a big deal when I worked at BPA from '99-'02.

 

[unklekippy]

So, the consensus is to fight for a lost state? Hey, no wonder they gain ground all the time. We're too busy trying to pick up rubble to defend what's still standing. With sentiment's like these, no wonder people like Obama can win.

 

[unklekippy]

You better believe it is the right thing to do. Together, gun owners are unbeatable. Those that would have you believe otherwise are not on the right side. Keep the fight strong and tenacious.

Actually, I am on the right side and you can take your bleeding heart to CA. If gun owners are unbeatable, I'll see you at the Wimbledon Cup this year. Oh, wait. Those "unstoppable" gun owners can't even own guns. Are we going to start writing David Cameron?

Gun owners are unstoppable when they fight for what is theirs. Not when they wait until it is all gone to find out what their liberal virtues got them. They reaped what they sewed.

Trying to blame those of us with reality in our coffee won't change anything. But what do I know? I'm on the wrong side because
I won't take up arms for a bunch of people that are proud to be "progressive" and keep the people standing on their throats in power.

When you speak of enclaves of "freedom" in CA, remember that each state elects representative's that will stand for their principles. In OR, we elect Hatfield's, Packwood's and Smith's in recent memory. The fight needs to be here. We have only elected Merkley's for a short time. In CA, they keep Feinstein's and Boxer's in power for MULTIPLE GENERATIONS. It's what they want.

But yeah, strong and tenacious while you fight amongst gun folks and force the hand of every Chris Matthew's. Or do we only incite the left when it goes against a very specific way of "what is right" that keeps on moving depending on certain people's whim's?

 

[U201491]

Actually, I am on the right side and you can take your bleeding heart to CA. If gun owners are unbeatable, I'll see you at the Wimbledon Cup this year. Oh, wait. Those "unstoppable" gun owners can't even own guns. Are we going to start writing David Cameron?

Gun owners are unstoppable when they fight for what is theirs. Not when they wait until it is all gone to find out what their liberal virtues got them. They reaped what they sewed.

Trying to blame those of us with reality in our coffee won't change anything. But what do I know? I'm on the wrong side because
I won't take up arms for a bunch of people that are proud to be "progressive" and keep the people standing on their throats in power.

When you speak of enclaves of "freedom" in CA, remember that each state elects representative's that will stand for their principles. In OR, we elect Hatfield's, Packwood's and Smith's in recent memory. The fight needs to be here. We have only elected Merkley's for a short time. In CA, they keep Feinstein's and Boxer's in power for MULTIPLE GENERATIONS. It's what they want.

But yeah, strong and tenacious while you fight amongst gun folks and force the hand of every Chris Matthew's. Or do we only incite the left when it goes against a very specific way of "what is right" that keeps on moving depending on certain people's whim's?

We are capable of fighting on many fronts. It all comes down to one US Constitution that we are protecting.
It belongs to all of us. So does the fight to keep it intact. The piece by piece destruction of it must be stopped one way or another. Each of us has a choice how to do it. Now. If we do not fight now, that choice will be narrowed to one in the end.

 

[unklekippy]

We are capable of fighting on many fronts. It all comes down to one US Constitution that we are protecting.
It belongs to all of us. So does the fight to keep it intact. The piece by piece destruction of it must be stopped one way or another. Each of us has a choice how to do it. Now. If we do not fight now, that choice will be narrowed to one in the end.

Actually, there is nothing in this statement that I disagree with.

I believe that people that made a deal with the devil should be held up as an example, not "saved" by others when they finally give away their ability to fight. I also believe that I would tell a bunch of Californians to pound sand if they wanted to write my Senator's, Congressmen and Governor telling them to put stronger gun control in place. That is their stance and they act accordingly in their state. We are better off with them keeping their foolish cutting of their own throat's to themselves.

I am fighting. I will keep fighting. A place like CO, that did the right thing and is in the process of continuing to do the right thing is the type of people I can get behind. Recall those people, instead of giving them MORE power, which is the CA model. I send emails to companies that did not get my business because of the state in which they reside or the political stances they take. I send emails to MY representatives reminding them of their duties and their commitments.

I would stand by many of my "bothers" in Northern CA an be proud to do so. To give support to a state that leads the drive in convincing our youth that the Founding Father's were "domestic terrorist's", a state which is home base for virtually EVERY freedom hating supporter of The O(unless of course they are at their east coast home base, NY.), a state where the film industry is complicit in lying about American's and lying again about the Communist's trying to force America to 3rd World status and on and on and on.

As far as I am concerned, they can be drummed out of The Union and we would only gain from it. If the Northerner's want to make a move to become their own state, they would have a willing ally in me. An ally willing to cross the border and actually do the things it took to gain their freedom. As it is, I cannot start that fight. And there we are back at the bottom line. You can't help people who refuse to help themselves. If they vote out Feinstein, I will go 180 with my stance, but they won't. They will elect her until she dies and is replaced by someone equally or somehow even more vile. History really does repeat itself, you've just got to look around and take it all in.

 

[U201491]

Actually, there is nothing in this statement that I disagree with.

I believe that people that made a deal with the devil should be held up as an example, not "saved" by others when they finally give away their ability to fight. I also believe that I would tell a bunch of Californians to pound sand if they wanted to write my Senator's, Congressmen and Governor telling them to put stronger gun control in place. That is their stance and they act accordingly in their state. We are better off with them keeping their foolish cutting of their own throat's to themselves.

I am fighting. I will keep fighting. A place like CO, that did the right thing and is in the process of continuing to do the right thing is the type of people I can get behind. Recall those people, instead of giving them MORE power, which is the CA model. I send emails to companies that did not get my business because of the state in which they reside or the political stances they take. I send emails to MY representatives reminding them of their duties and their commitments.

I would stand by many of my "bothers" in Northern CA an be proud to do so. To give support to a state that leads the drive in convincing our youth that the Founding Father's were "domestic terrorist's", a state which is home base for virtually EVERY freedom hating supporter of The O(unless of course they are at their east coast home base, NY.), a state where the film industry is complicit in lying about American's and lying again about the Communist's trying to force America to 3rd World status and on and on and on.

As far as I am concerned, they can be drummed out of The Union and we would only gain from it. If the Northerner's want to make a move to become their own state, they would have a willing ally in me. An ally willing to cross the border and actually do the things it took to gain their freedom. As it is, I cannot start that fight. And there we are back at the bottom line. You can't help people who refuse to help themselves. If they vote out Feinstein, I will go 180 with my stance, but they won't. They will elect her until she dies and is replaced by someone equally or somehow even more vile. History really does repeat itself, you've just got to look around and take it all in.

In actuality, I would like to see the state cut from the US And pushed down to mexico or better over to china. But until that happens were stuck with their crap.

 

[PrDubi]

Once again the mindless drivel and blah blah many wrote was far more in minutes than the simple COPY PASTE of writing on my email link.

But you go girl... Keep up the bantering and huffing and puffing on your keyboard...

 

[U201491]

Once again the mindless drivel and blah blah many wrote was far more in minutes than the simple COPY PASTE of writing on my email link.

But you go girl... Keep up the bantering and huffing and puffing on your keyboard...

Yep, it only takes a few min to contact them.

 

[unklekippy]

Once again the mindless drivel and blah blah many wrote was far more in minutes than the simple COPY PASTE of writing on my email link.

But you go girl... Keep up the bantering and huffing and puffing on your keyboard...

If there is something you would obviously understand, it's mindless drivel. There is nothing that changes a Governor' mind more than getting the EXACT same email from a bunch of people that have no say in their given state.

I guess y'all will prove me wrong when they get their rights(that they don't want) back, Feinstein get's voted out and individual liberty and rights become their mantra. The liberal views have even convinced the folks on the right that writing a letter will make even a slight difference.

I wrote my letter last week, by the way. It was a total waste of time, but I actually went as far as to write an original letter, rather than cutting and pasting a chain letter that will never even get to an inbox, much less be read.

 

[U201491]

Another Northern California county votes to secede from state, http://fxn.ws/15SQ7IG - Sent via the FOX News Android App.