WashCo CHL incident

[Father of four]

Its all a bunch of bull to even have to get a CHL. And if there would be but two most important requirements to me it would be that you are not haveing mental problems and a felon.

The felon part is really iffy. Seeing you can get a felon for just about anything.

 

[duane black]

Its all a bunch of bull to even have to get a CHL. And if there would be but two most important requirements to me it would be that you are not haveing mental problems and a felon.

The felon part is really iffy. Seeing you can get a felon for just about anything.

I don't want to jack this thread but man... I AGREE ! I'm originally from California so just being able to get a CPL and CHL is awesome but the longer I live here the more this stuff irritates me.

Should have moved to Arizona. I keed, I keed. ( kinda )

Oregon does have a process for restoring rights so it's not all lost. Just STUPID.

 

[Father of four]

It is my understanding that the Sheriff can set more restrictive policy than required by state law. Multnomah County is in the process of redefining the CHL policy.

Exactly. Where is that in the 2nd Amendment? Shall not be infringed unless your county passes laws to make it virtually impossible? The county has the authority to redefine your rights?

CHL is a privilege. The 2nd Amendment is barely a right, but it depends on your location I guess.

 

[Guilty]

Hawaiian and Duane Black are correct. Oregon looks at Oregon laws, and since weed was a lesser offence dating back many years, out of state marijuana convictions are looked at in a more serious light because smoking a joint in Oregon has been no big deal for a long time legally/conviction speaking. So if you got busted for smoking a joint out of state and convicted 1 time you can still get a Oregon CHL if it was over 4 years ago according to Oregon law if I understand the law correctly, busted and convicted 2 times, even if it was just a roach, and no Oregon CHL license for you. If you have 2 convictions that are more than 4 years ago, the only way to get a Oregon CHL is to pay a lawyer $600-$800 and have 1 conviction expunged.

 

[Mark W.]

It is my understanding that the Sheriff can set more restrictive policy than required by state law. Multnomah County is in the process of redefining the CHL policy.

The State Legislature sets the laws in Oregon that have to do with firearms. The citys and various entities have the ablity to decide where open carry can take place. not much past that.

 

[Father of four]

No ammo in firearms or magazines with out a CHL in the city of Portland. Who made those regulations up?

 

[JAFO]

No ammo in firearms or magazines with out a CHL in the city of Portland. Who made those regulations up?

I'm pretty sure you just did.

 

[Father of four]

I'm pretty sure you just did.

Nope let me find it for yall. 1 sec...

 

[Father of four]

Here is a starter....Oregon - go to jail for a loaded clip/magazine ?!?!


http://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/166.170

http://www.opencarry.org/?page_id=290

http://www.portlandcriminaldefenseb...ealed-gun-ordinance-held-constitutional.shtml

 

[Father of four]

Chapter 14A.60 Weapons and Explosives


Chapter 14A.60 Weapons and Explosives
Table of Contents (Printable Version)

14A.60.010 Possession of a Loaded Firearm in a Public Place.
14A.60.020 Discharge of a Firearm.
14A.60.030 Tear Gas and Stun Guns.
14A.60.040 Explosives and Bottle Bombs.
14A.60.050 Endangering A Child By Allowing Access To A Firearm.
14A.60.060 Failure to Report Theft.

14A.60.010 Possession of a Loaded Firearm in a Public Place.

(Amended by Ordinance No. 184274, effective December 31, 2010.)

A. It is unlawful for any person to knowingly possess or carry a firearm, in or upon a public place, including while in a vehicle in a public place, recklessly having failed to remove all the ammunition from the firearm.

B. It is unlawful for any person to knowingly possess or carry a firearm and that firearm's clip or magazine, in or upon a public place, including while in a vehicle in a public place, recklessly having failed to remove all the ammunition from the clip or magazine.

C. The following are exceptions and constitute affirmative defenses to a violation of this Section:


1. A police officer or other duly appointed peace officers, whether active or honorably retired.

2. A member of the military in the performance of official duty.

3. A person licensed to carry a concealed handgun.

4. A person authorized to possess a loaded firearm while in or on a public building under ORS 166.370.

5. A government employee authorized or required by his or her employment or office to carry firearms.

6. A person summoned by a police officer to assist in making arrests or preserving the peace, while such person is actually engaged in assisting the officer.

7. A merchant who possesses or is engaged in lawfully transporting unloaded firearms as merchandise.

8. Organizations which are by law authorized to purchase or receive weapons from the United States or from this state.

9. Duly authorized military or civil organizations while parading, or their members when going to and from the places of meeting of their organization.

10. A corrections officer while transporting or accompanying an individual convicted of or arrested for an offense and confined in a place of incarceration or detention while outside the confines of the place of incarceration or detention.

11. Persons travelling to and from an established target range, whether public or private, for the purpose of practicing shooting targets at the target ranges.

12. Licensed hunters or fishermen while engaged in hunting or fishing, or while going to or returning from a hunting or fishing expedition.

13. A person authorized by permit of the Chief of Police to possess a loaded firearm, clip, or magazine in a public place in the City of Portland.

14. A security guard employed at a financial institution insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation while the security guard is on duty.

D. It is unlawful for any person who possesses a firearm, clip or magazine in or upon a public place, or while in a vehicle in a public place, to refuse to permit a police officer to inspect that firearm after the police officer has identified him or herself as a police officer. This Section does not apply to law enforcement officers or members of the military in the performance of official duties, nor persons licensed to carry a concealed handgun or persons authorized to possess a loaded firearm, clip or magazine while in or on a public building or court facility.

E. Penalty

1. In the absence of the aggravating factors listed in Subsection 14A.60.010 E.2., the court may impose a sentence of up to 6 months imprisonment and a fine not to exceed $500 for violation of this section.


2. When this offense is committed by carrying a loaded firearm containing ammunition that employs gunpowder as a propellant in a vehicle, including a transit vehicle, the court must impose a mandatory minimum sentence of 30 days for violation of this Section.

 

[Father of four]

BTW that is a right that has been taken from us.

If you become a LEO, ask permission for a CHL, or one of the other things the city deems worthy then you can have that privilege restored to you once again.

 

[Father of four]

Goes against what I believe the 2nd Amendment really means and stands for. Also the smoking of pot makes a person loose their 2nd amendment rights?

But who am I, but a peon.

 

[JAFO]

Those ordinances don't say what you did. You said "Portland." Those say "Public Place."

Sure, I'm being nit-picky but you have to be regarding laws.

 

[Father of four]

Click on the link and see where it takes you.....here it is again for ya....http://www.portlandonline.com/auditor/index.cfm?c=28514#cid_332592

Maybe click on the home button at the top of the page...

 

[JAFO]

It's going to say the same thing it said the first time I read it; Public Place.

 

[BDA.45]

While Im not gonna get into the carrying in P'town thing, feel free to do so.... Ive read all the same info everybody has posted numerous times over the last 24 hours and have come to 1 conclusion; the people at the WCSO dont have ANY idea what they were talkin about. Im just going to wait 5-7 days until my license arrives and then call them on their bubblegum. I dont really want to be poking the bear right now. Im gonna get in contact with someone at OFF and ask for some help. I cant be the only person this has happened to. I know I knew what the laws stated but was in a complete moment of panic and shock. You should have seen me. Candid Camera wouldve been priceless. Anyway, thanks for the responses. I just wasnt sure if I had missed something or not. Ill let you guys know what happens in a week or so. Continue on with the Portland carrying thing, its always fun...

 

[JAFO]

It might be worth your while to have it expunged if possible. This instance may not be the only time it is ever brought up.

 

[BDA.45]

It might be worth your while to have it expunged if possible. This instance may not be the only time it is ever brought up.

Ive already been down that route and it wouldnt be an expungement. (at least in California) Those are typically saved for felonies. My attorney in Cali said it would be a dismissal at most. It was an infraction, think $100 speeding ticket. Same thing.

 

[duane black]

While Im not gonna get into the carrying in P'town thing, feel free to do so.... Ive read all the same info everybody has posted numerous times over the last 24 hours and have come to 1 conclusion; the people at the WCSO dont have ANY idea what they were talkin about. Im just going to wait 5-7 days until my license arrives and then call them on their bubblegum. I dont really want to be poking the bear right now. Im gonna get in contact with someone at OFF and ask for some help. I cant be the only person this has happened to. I know I knew what the laws stated but was in a complete moment of panic and shock. You should have seen me. Candid Camera wouldve been priceless. Anyway, thanks for the responses. I just wasnt sure if I had missed something or not. Ill let you guys know what happens in a week or so. Continue on with the Portland carrying thing, its always fun...

Take the link to their own website I posted that contradicts what they told you. Should be fun times.

Sent from my Nexus 4

 

[BDA.45]

Take the link to their own website I posted that contradicts what they told you. Should be fun times.

Sent from my Nexus 4

Actually..... That is a VERY good idea. I think I just might do that. Next week though, need my CHL in hand before I start stirring up crap with the cops.