Washington WA Magazine Ban Bill PREFILED - Link to comment below

[chipotle]

Thanks to reddit user chunkyhrvatski on the WAguns subreddit for informing me of this:

Ban on ownership of firearm magazines over 10 rounds: https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?billnumber=5078&year=2021

Talking points:

• Essentially all modern firearms use >10 round magazines, the bill's claim that nearly all handguns use less than 10 round magazines is blatantly untrue. No evidence has ever been produced to indicate standard capacity magazines pose any risk to the public.
• A slightly less egregious version of this law (no LEO exemption, 15 round limit) was defeated last session with bipartisan opposition in the state senate. More Washingtonians of all political and demographic backgrounds own firearms now than last session, and the bill is even more mass criminalizing. This is not politically wise.
• Owners have to prove that they owned the magazines before the ban, which is impossible and essentially criminalizes 10s of thousands of WA gun owners. Magazines are not serialized and generally are not dated in any way forcing owners to prove a negative, which is impossible, in order to avoid criminal prosecution and liability.
• Even with the weak grandfather clause it is completely illegal to use these magazines defensively or for concealed carry, effectively criminalizing any practical use and making the already liability ridden grandfather clause largely irrelevant. The normal, lawful activity of most gun owners in the state will be criminalized. That is the bottom line. As a message to gun owners specifically, this means that the grandfather clause should not comfort you, you will still be criminalized.
• Washington state law enforcement mass shootings work group explicitly DID NOT recommend a mag ban, despite demands to do so by political groups.
• The exemption for off duty and retired LEO is ridiculous. Police officers are not a superior class of citizen and should not enjoy separate rights. This ban is ineffectual and criminalizing and should not apply to anyone. The fact that an LE carveout is desired shows this.
• CA ban is being challenged and has been ruled against in the 9th circuit, why pass a law that has at majority chance of being ruled unconstitutional?

Lifetime ban on ownership of firearms for those convicted of unlawful discharge, animal cruelty or unlawful pointing of a weapon: https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=1038&Year=2021&Initiative=false

Talking points:

• The right to own a firearm is guaranteed both by the US constitution and by Washington's own state constitution. No other constitutional right, state or federal, in the state of Washington is rescinded because of non-felony convictions. Constitutional rights are serious and important elements of a citizens liberties and cannot be rescinded for low level criminal convictions. Ban on open carry at protests: https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=5038&Initiative=false&Year=2021

Talking points:

• Multiple people were killed with firearms relating to protests on Capitol Hill, Seattle his year. The assailants recorded themselves violating multiple WA gun laws on camera (I-594, I-1639, intimidation by firearm) for hours or days before the killings. No arrests were made and no intervention occurred. The claim that making this already felonious activity slightly more illegal will prevent violence at protests is unevidenced and irrational.
• Violence at protests can only be prevented with a low-intensity, non lethal police presence.
• There exists no objective standard whatsoever by which to define and is and is not a protest, this law could essentially criminalize the carriage of firearms at any time a demonstration is occuring.
• Tell your representatives to listen to their constituents, not lobbyists funded by billionaires.

TWO THINGS YOU MUST DO:

Contact YOUR representatives (doesn't matter which party) by PHONE and EMAIL, especially if they are one of the following swing democrats. You need to actually do this, we ONLY defeated the mag ban last year because of a massive influx of calls to democrat senators. You cannot be apathetic, these laws will pass if you do nothing and they will be defeated if you call and email. Be prepared to call and email more in the future. Keep an eye out of future posts.

COMMENT on the linked bills. There is absolutely no excuse whatsoever not to do this immediately, make your voice heard and write a comment in your own words. Ask for help and feel free to post ideas or what you wrote here.

Find your reps: https://app.leg.wa.gov/districtfinder/

SWING SENATOR CONTACT INFO:

SENATOR PHONE NUMBERS

Sen. T'wina Nobles (28th District) https://twinanobles.com/contact-us/ [Ms. Nobles is the new D senator so no official phone line until Jan. 11. The senate composition stayed the same but we traded Takko [D] for Nobles. Takko was a pro gun dem, so this is almost certainly a poor trade. Nobles does not have a stated anti-gun position on any specific issues but is endorsed by WAGR and states support for combating gun violence, still worth contacting but a long shot. She won narrowly in a fairly conservative area with a lot of JBLM presence. Focus on this when you contact her and ask her to support the 2A over the party line, explain how this is inline with her commitment to community responsibility and police oversight. Really important to reach out early if you're in the 28th, Nobles is not a careerist democrat and is fresh on the block, influence her now.]

Sen. Kevin Van de Wege (24th District) (360) 786-7646

Sen. Steve Conway (29th District) (360) 786-7656

Sen. Mark Mullet (5th District) (360) 786-7608

Sen. Steve Hobbs (44th District) (360) 786-7686

Sen. Annette Cleveland (49th District) (360) 786-7696

Rep. Frank Chopp (43rd District) (360) 786-7920

Sen. Emily Randall (26th District) (360) 786-7650 [Randall won here seat by 70 votes, don't be afraid to say that these votes will cost her far more than that]

Sen. Mona Das (47th District) (360) 786-7692

Sen. Claire Wilson (30th District) (360) 786-7658

Sen. Andy Billig (3rd District) (360) 786-7604

SENATOR EMAILS (email one and BCC all others, semi-colons good to go for pasting into email, no reason not to email everyone but consider sending an individually addressed message to VDW):

To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected];

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[Boss]

That didn't take long...

5078.pdf (wa.gov)

They'll get to the smaller problems like COVID, the decimated economy, homelessness, drug problems, etc. after they clean up the existential threat of law abiding citizens having 11 rounds in their 'clips.'

They can't fix the former problems, too complicated and they're too incompetent...but its really easy to say 'those bullet holder thingys are illegal.' That the mental midgets can *sorta* comprehend. Hmmm...more bullets than I have fingers bad. Me understand.

Consider starting up the emails/calls...

$.02 worth,
Boss

 

[AMT]

That didn't take long...

5078.pdf (wa.gov)

They'll get to the smaller problems like COVID, the decimated economy, homelessness, drug problems, etc. after they clean up the existential threat of law abiding citizens having 11 rounds in their 'clips.'

They can't fix the former problems, too complicated and they're too incompetent...but its really easy to say 'those bullet holder thingys are illegal.' That the mental midgets can *sorta* comprehend. Hmmm...more bullets than I have fingers bad. Me understand.

Consider starting up the emails/calls...

$.02 worth,
Boss

Well that didn't take long.....

 

[titsonritz]

I'm shocked I tell you, never saw that coming.

 

[Dungannon]

@chipotle beat you to it

Washington - WA Magazine Ban Bill PREFILED - Link to comment below

Thanks to reddit user chunkyhrvatski on the WAguns subreddit for informing me of this: Ban on ownership of firearm magazines over 10 rounds: https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?billnumber=5078&year=2021 Talking points: Essentially all modern firearms use >10 round magazines, the bill's claim...

www.northwestfirearms.com

 

[User 1234]

I'm surprised they didn't file it one minute after midnight.

 

[GrayGoose]

I'll bet we'll see it in Oregon this year too, and likely they will cram it through with an "emergency clause".

 

[Flymph]

Hopefully we get some new support with those who recently acquired their guns.

 

[chipotle]

Here comes the copypasta:

Ban on ownership of firearm magazines over 10 rounds: https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?billnumber=5078&year=2021

Talking points:

• Essentially all modern firearms use >10 round magazines, the bill's claim that nearly all handguns use less than 10 round magazines is blatantly untrue. No evidence has ever been produced to indicate standard capacity magazines pose any risk to the public.
• A slightly less egregious version of this law (no LEO exemption, 15 round limit) was defeated last session with bipartisan opposition in the state senate. More Washingtonians of all political and demographic backgrounds own firearms now than last session, and the bill is even more mass criminalizing. This is not politically wise.
• Owners have to prove that they owned the magazines before the ban, which is impossible and essentially criminalizes 10s of thousands of WA gun owners. Magazines are not serialized and generally are not dated in any way forcing owners to prove a negative, which is impossible, in order to avoid criminal prosecution and liability.
• Even with the weak grandfather clause it is completely illegal to use these magazines defensively or for concealed carry, effectively criminalizing any practical use and making the already liability ridden grandfather clause largely irrelevant. The normal, lawful activity of most gun owners in the state will be criminalized. That is the bottom line. As a message to gun owners specifically, this means that the grandfather clause should not comfort you, you will still be criminalized.
• Washington state law enforcement mass shootings work group explicitly DID NOT recommend a mag ban, despite demands to do so by political groups.
• The exemption for off duty and retired LEO is ridiculous. Police officers are not a superior class of citizen and should not enjoy separate rights. This ban is ineffectual and criminalizing and should not apply to anyone. The fact that an LE carveout is desired shows this.
• CA ban is being challenged and has been ruled against in the 9th circuit, why pass a law that has at majority chance of being ruled unconstitutional?

Lifetime ban on ownership of firearms for those convicted of unlawful discharge, animal cruelty or unlawful pointing of a weapon: https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=1038&Year=2021&Initiative=false

Talking points:

• The right to own a firearm is guaranteed both by the US constitution and by Washington's own state constitution. No other constitutional right, state or federal, in the state of Washington is rescinded because of non-felony convictions. Constitutional rights are serious and important elements of a citizens liberties and cannot be rescinded for low level criminal convictions. Ban on open carry at protests: https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=5038&Initiative=false&Year=2021

Talking points:

• Multiple people were killed with firearms relating to protests on Capitol Hill, Seattle his year. The assailants recorded themselves violating multiple WA gun laws on camera (I-594, I-1639, intimidation by firearm) for hours or days before the killings. No arrests were made and no intervention occurred. The claim that making this already felonious activity slightly more illegal will prevent violence at protests is unevidenced and irrational.
• Violence at protests can only be prevented with a low-intensity, non lethal police presence.
• There exists no objective standard whatsoever by which to define and is and is not a protest, this law could essentially criminalize the carriage of firearms at any time a demonstration is occuring.
• Tell your representatives to listen to their constituents, not lobbyists funded by billionaires.

TWO THINGS YOU MUST DO:

Contact YOUR representatives (doesn't matter which party) by PHONE and EMAIL, especially if they are one of the following swing democrats. You need to actually do this, we ONLY defeated the mag ban last year because of a massive influx of calls to democrat senators. You cannot be apathetic, these laws will pass if you do nothing and they will be defeated if you call and email. Be prepared to call and email more in the future. Keep an eye out of future posts.

COMMENT on the linked bills. There is absolutely no excuse whatsoever not to do this immediately, make your voice heard and write a comment in your own words. Ask for help and feel free to post ideas or what you wrote here.

Find your reps: https://app.leg.wa.gov/districtfinder/

SWING SENATOR CONTACT INFO:

SENATOR PHONE NUMBERS

Sen. T'wina Nobles (28th District) https://twinanobles.com/contact-us/ [Ms. Nobles is the new D senator so no official phone line until Jan. 11. The senate composition stayed the same but we traded Takko [D] for Nobles. Takko was a pro gun dem, so this is almost certainly a poor trade. Nobles does not have a stated anti-gun position on any specific issues but is endorsed by WAGR and states support for combating gun violence, still worth contacting but a long shot. She won narrowly in a fairly conservative area with a lot of JBLM presence. Focus on this when you contact her and ask her to support the 2A over the party line, explain how this is inline with her commitment to community responsibility and police oversight. Really important to reach out early if you're in the 28th, Nobles is not a careerist democrat and is fresh on the block, influence her now.]

Sen. Kevin Van de Wege (24th District) (360) 786-7646

Sen. Steve Conway (29th District) (360) 786-7656

Sen. Mark Mullet (5th District) (360) 786-7608

Sen. Steve Hobbs (44th District) (360) 786-7686

Sen. Annette Cleveland (49th District) (360) 786-7696

Rep. Frank Chopp (43rd District) (360) 786-7920

Sen. Emily Randall (26th District) (360) 786-7650 [Randall won here seat by 70 votes, don't be afraid to say that these votes will cost her far more than that]

Sen. Mona Das (47th District) (360) 786-7692

Sen. Claire Wilson (30th District) (360) 786-7658

Sen. Andy Billig (3rd District) (360) 786-7604

SENATOR EMAILS (email one and BCC all others, semi-colons good to go for pasting into email, no reason not to email everyone but consider sending an individually addressed message to VDW):

To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected];

 

[titsonritz]

Hopefully we get some new support with those who recently acquired their guns.

You already got it.

 

[chipotle]

Forgot to mention: I am not the original author of this (credit to chunky), but please feel free to crosspost as necessary!

 

[U92]

I am sure they have special interest in Ammo and magazines in the caymans and they will bank hundreds of millions when this is passed... What a theatrical joke the world is becoming.

 

[Caveman Jim]

Well I do hope that many gun owners here are gonna get off the couch and get busy.
On the other hand, there are a lot of "gun owners" here that will do nothing because they think it's a good idea, you know who they are...

 

[Old Dog]

This bill was pre-filed... and it comes from the state's AG, "Stupid Bob."

Criminy, the legislature doesn't even start its session until Monday.

The only good news is that during the last session, large numbers of the Dems in the state house fully understood where most of their constituency stands.

 

[whitney]

I want to share some insight that should put folks on notice. Following is an email response regarding the original proposal to ban certain firearms and magazines https://www.atg.wa.gov/news/news-re...s-ban-assault-weapons-high-capacity-magazines.
Drew Hanson sits on the Judiciary committee and will also hear this bill. I should be self evident to most but just in case......I must point out his perspective with regard to "more lethal".

~Whitney

>>>>>>>>>>
Dear Whitney,

Thank you for writing, I apologize it has taken me so long to respond! There's still no actual bill on the so-called assault weapon ban so there's nothing for me to react to; if/when there actually is a bill and if/when we hear it in the House Judiciary Committee (on which I sit, which has jurisdiction over gun issues) I'll be looking for testimony and evidence that the categories of firearms/magazines targeted by the ban are more lethal than what's left out of the ban. But that will come much later; we are some months away from having any actual concrete piece of legislation to examine, much less a hearing on it.

Thanks for writing & please come by and visit if you're ever in Olympia!

Best, Drew
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

[ma96782]

Rrrrrright........

It sounds like the typical politician's response. Like......

"I support the 2nd Amendment BUT....."

Aloha, Mark

 

[WAW44]

Link to documents?

Talking points:

• Washington state law enforcement mass shootings work group explicitly DID NOT recommend a mag ban, despite demands to do so by political groups.

 

[91A PE]

Here is a link for materials and videos to understand Washington's legislative process, as well as the online portal: https://leg.wa.gov/LIC/Pages/classes.aspx

 

[chipotle]

FYI- i made a public comment and got a supportive response almost immediately from my local rep! Not a suprise in SW WA but it still feels good!

 

[chipotle]

Link to documents?

Good question. Im not the original author of this pasta so i dont have them on hand. Any luck searching for the working group's literature?