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Utah Application for Concealed Firearm Permit verbage

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by Rotty, May 5, 2013.

  1. Rotty

    Rotty Skagit County Active Member

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    I am applying for a Utah Concealed Firearm Permit. The verbage on the Utah permit application is different from the Washington State permit. Washington State question asked if I was ever convicted of domestic violence. The answer is "NO". Utah State question asked if I was ever arrested for domestic violence. The answer is "Yes". The explanation to the "Yes" answer is embarrassing to me. I was never charged with domestic violence. Part of me says to answer "Yes" to the question and explain myself. The other part of me says to answer "No" since Washington State isn't concerned about it and I was never charged.

    What do you guys think?
     
  2. NWGlockgal

    NWGlockgal Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Does the arrest show on a background check? If so, I would be honest and also give an explanation of the circumstances.
     
  3. Rotty

    Rotty Skagit County Active Member

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    I'm assuming is does not show on a background check since I received my WA Concealed Carry Permit without incident.
     
  4. tunus

    tunus PDX, United States Active Member

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    The arrest may not disqualify you in WA or UT, but if it shows up on the background check and you answer "No", then you are clearly dishonest and that may disqualify you. Do arrests show up on the background check?
     
  5. MarkAd

    MarkAd Port Orchard Well-Known Member

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    uhh, use a telephone
     
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  6. Rotty

    Rotty Skagit County Active Member

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    Since I am airing my dirty laundry I was arrested for domestic violence in Oct 2001 or 2002 (been so long I don't remember what year it was). It was a verbal confrontation. Based on her accusations I was arrested. I spent the weekend in jail. I divorced her in 2003 and she is issued a permanent restraining order to never have any contact with me in any form.

    I have included a copy of the permanent restraining order with my Utah Concealed Carry application to show she is was the aggressor along with my explanation.

    Will this suffice?
     
  7. Rotty

    Rotty Skagit County Active Member

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    Use a telephone. Please clarify.
     
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  8. drew

    drew OR Well-Known Member

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  9. Rotty

    Rotty Skagit County Active Member

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    I must have received an older form. The link you provided reads like the Washington State application. Asking if you have been "Convicted".

    Thank you for the feed back.
     
  10. OFADAN

    OFADAN Brownsville, OR Well-Known Member

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    Rotty your Utah CFP instructor should have explained to you the application process including what to do in this situation. You should have gotten the application in the class. In fact the application should have been done in class so if issues come up you could address them privately. I'd either call Utah and ask them or call the instructor who should explain what to do about this.
     
  11. CharonPDX

    CharonPDX Portland, OR Active Member

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    Red flag!

    Per RCW, a permanent restraining order by a spouse or ex-spouse may qualify for Federal firearms prohibition.

    AKA: Shut your trap right now and contact a lawyer. Do not acknowledge owning a firearm, do not acknowledge trying to acquire a firearm, contact a lawyer.

    By my reading of Washington domestic violence law, it is possible that your order is one worded in such a way that you didn't lose your right to own firearms - but it is also very possible that you did. Contact a lawyer immediately to determine which kind you have, and petition to have that order withdrawn if it is. (And you probably should anyway, assuming you are not a threat, and haven't violated it in any way in the past 10 years.)
     
  12. BroncoFan

    BroncoFan Eastern Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I think OP was saying that he had a permanent restraining order against her, As it showed her
    as the aggressor. Not very well explained, though.
     
  13. DHPShooter

    DHPShooter Lebanon Member

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    "She IS issued"

    It's easy to miss that one little word.
     
  14. Scvette

    Scvette Olympia Active Member

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    I sent a email to Utah dps with my issue question,and they replied back right away with how I should answer. I now have a Utah permit.
     
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  15. Rotty

    Rotty Skagit County Active Member

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    The restraining order is against the ex-wife.
     
  16. drew

    drew OR Well-Known Member

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    True. They instructor has to stamp the application too. If the app changed since your class, getting a later application stamped by the instructor should work. Guess it might depend on the state will process the original application if the wording is different.
     
  17. Rotty

    Rotty Skagit County Active Member

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    Issue resolved. The problem, outdated document. The attached linked displayed the difference and after chatting with my trainer when I realized this he is going to send me a current application for Utah Concealed Carry Permit.

    Thanks everyone for your feedback.
     
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