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Under new Common Core, it's OK that 3 x 4 = 11

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  1. ATCclears

    ATCclears Seattle area, WA Well-Known Member

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    We are dooming these kids to a lifetime of burger jobs, and a deepened segregation of society through education.

    Peter


    Obama math: under new Common Core, 3 x 4 = 11 [VIDEO]

    Quick: what’s 3 x 4?

    If you said 11 — or, hell, if you said 7, pi, or infinity squared — that’s just fine under the Common Core, the new national curriculum that the Obama administration will impose on American public school students this fall.

    In a pretty amazing YouTube video, Amanda August, a curriculum coordinator in a suburb of Chicago called Grayslake, explains that getting the right answer in math just doesn’t matter as long as kids can explain the necessarily faulty reasoning they used to get to that wrong answer.

    “Even if they said, ’3 x 4 was 11,’ if they were able to explain their reasoning and explain how they came up with their answer really in, umm, words and oral explanation, and they showed it in the picture but they just got the final number wrong, we’re really more focused on the how,” August says in the video.

    When someone in the audience (presumably a parent, but it’s not certain) asks if teachers will be, you know, correcting students who don’t know rudimentary arithmetic instantly, August makes another meandering, longwinded statement.

    “We want our students to compute correctly but the emphasis is really moving more towards the explanation, and the how, and the why, and ‘can I really talk through the procedures that I went through to get this answer,’” August details. “And not just knowing that it’s 12, but why is it 12? How do I know that?”

    Common Core: Wrong Answer Are fine - Longer - YouTube
     
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  2. Squidly

    Squidly Sandy Active Member

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    Seems like they are teaching kids to come up with good excuses for poor performance. Rewarding poor performance only gets more poor performance.
     
  3. BoonDocks36

    BoonDocks36 Oregon, in the boondocks Christian. Conservative. Male.

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    I use that same ~logic~ to explain the Errors of Morality in our culture!

    For instance, per any topic that is PC, but not morally correct, I'll say, well doesn't 2+2=5 ???, (my student says "no", of course), BUT 2+2=5 I say louder.... And student says NO!!!!

    I try to ~explain "why"~ I want 2+2=5, And my student will finally say, "you can not make 2+2=5, it is NOT CORRECT

    LESSON OVER.

    I once read Political Correctness definded as "being able to pick up a Turd, by its end, then saying it isn't a turd"!

    That ~is~ what our Country is becoming, with "Zero Transparency" as C-I-C !!!!

    The book of OZ, do not look behind the curtain....

    philip,
    In the BoonDocks A spade is a spade, unless its a shovel.... KWIM????
     
  4. unklekippy

    unklekippy In The Mountains Near Sprague River Well-Known Member

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    Well put. I view Political Correctness much the same as I view "tolerance". Just fancy words for really saying you don't have the moral fortitude to believe in right and wrong anymore. How else would we get to a place where the norm is to pat a kid on the back for a wrong answer?

    In this world, Mickey Mantle gets the same science class grade as Stephen Hawking. To be fair though, Hawking gets the same sports trophies Mantle gets. The next thing you know, we're looking UP at China and Russia, and laterally at Germany and Britain. Is that the equivalent to an El Salvadoran education I see on the horizon? I do believe it is.

    It's funny how all this "equality" keeps pushing us further and further from being "equal" with our competitors.
     
  5. Morpheus

    Morpheus Columbia Gorge Anyway, back on the farm.

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    This seems to me no worse or better than the "No Child Left Behind" BS under Bush.

    Most of these people have never tried to teach kids, let alone stepped foot in a classroom.

    In a perfect world we would be spending 100 billion a year on education not fighting Iraq and Afghanistan.

    :(
     
  6. Kevinkris

    Kevinkris Aloha Well-Known Member

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    so they are going to start giving participation ribbons in class now? i thought schools were bad when i was there, this is a whole new ball game.
     
  7. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    No. It's not a matter of money. I think in Oregon each child costs taxpayers around $14,000 per year for public education. You could throw 50 trillion at it and it'd just be worse.
    There's no incentive for the teachers to perform.. indeed, they are "rewarded" for being anti-effective/competitive.. thanks to the labor union they belong to
     
  8. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner You'll Never Know Well-Known Member

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    For God's sake, teach your kids at home. You might learn something in the process as well.
     
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  9. unklekippy

    unklekippy In The Mountains Near Sprague River Well-Known Member

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    Wow. A post straight from the Liberal Playbook.

    First, blame Bush(Rule No. 1 of the Playbook: Always blame Bush).
    Second, throw an unimaginable number out there(because $14-20,000 per year, per kid isn't enough.) and then compare it to a war that has nothing to do with education.
    Third, make no mention of the horrible Education Department, created of course by the Democrat's, that led to the complete failure of the education system in the first place.

    Basically, fix problems caused by failures from the Left with more failures from the Left. How about just abolish illegal bubblegum like the Education Department, anyway?

    In a perfect world, I wouldn't have to correct the Socialist drivel forced down my son's throat every day by his school. In a perfect world, we wouldn't be fighting illegal wars for opium and oil. The only thing the two have in common is that they are truly pushed to the furthest limits of implosion when the Left is steering the ship.
     
  10. powermad

    powermad Portland Active Member

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    Not surprising at all.
    10 years or so ago when my step son was in the second grade he could not add 1+5=6 without a calculator.
    And one was on the required list for supplies.
    I had to teach him how to do simple math as he was at a loss without a calculator.
     
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  11. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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    Government gets what it wants.

    People just smart enough to function as worker bees and drones only. If that is not what it wanted it would change it.

    Simple as that.

    Americans today are nothing more than non-thinking automatons. Lemmings. Sheeple if you will.

    No populace has ever been so thoroughly brainwashed and deluded. HOWEVER, there are those that believe that individual liberties and the 2A are going to go the distance and last. Simply ignorant nonsense.

    No people this easy to deceive, no populace this stupid can remain 'free.'

    Yes, complete tyranny is coming as is the termination of all the temporary liberties/permissions enjoyed today. Those that don't recognize that by now are living in their own little private Idaho.
     
  12. Cuthbert Allgood

    Cuthbert Allgood Clark County, WA Well-Known Member

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    Kind of like drivers these days being totally lost without their GPS device.
     
  13. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    Hey Burt, did you read some of the prior responses or are you just an automaton? And an insulting one at that.
     
  14. powermad

    powermad Portland Active Member

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    I remember turning in math homework and just having the answers put down and having to redo it to show the work even though I could do the problem in my head and all the answers were correct.
    Looks like they not only not care how you got the answer but any is good enough.
    No critical thinking required now.
    No wonder the 20 some things of today have no forward thinking and are unable to figure anything out for themselves.
    We have guys at work that are basically illiterate.
    My 6 year old daughter reads better and does math better than them.
    But my wife and I also teach her a lot and show her how to do it.
     
  15. accessbob

    accessbob Molalla, OR 2A Supporter

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    We homeschool and on the recent testing that the state makes us have the kids take the results were:

    My daughter - 16 (11th grade) tested at college level
    My oldest son - 14 (9th grade) had all but one subject come in at 12th grade level and one at 11th
    My youngest son - 12 (7th grade) tested at 10th grade level.

    Homeschooling has been great for them. They can get done as quickly as they desire to work and they can move ahead at their own speed. And my middle child (oldest son) typically only takes 3 hours per day to get done with his school work. My youngest doesn't like to go that quickly and my daughter is somewhere in between.
     
  16. slimer13

    slimer13 Deer Park Well-Known Member

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    I guess my kids school district didn't get the "stupid drone" memo. She tested in the top 3% and is in the gifted program. She is on pace to graduate HS with an AA. This is what I get to look forward to helping her with (6th grade).


     
  17. BoonDocks36

    BoonDocks36 Oregon, in the boondocks Christian. Conservative. Male.

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    Wrong concept. That is lighting cigars with one hundred dollar bills.

    (or be fired for lack of ability to teach.)

    While my daughter, a single parent mother of three, was doing her AA, BA & MSW degrees, and also working between her BA & MSW, I raised my grandchildren.
    (Under Obamacare, it wouldhave been a full time job, over thirty hours a week...)

    I taught my Grandson how to Count, add & Subtract, before he was in Kindergarten. In fact before kindergarten, he could count, using Units, not numbers, ie. viewing a 25 foot tape measure as a unit, he counted, With very little assistance from me, the length of a Mile, 5280 feet.

    80' = 3, 25's + Five Feet left over. His words, not mine. Next he went on the 200 foot section of math.
    200 = 8, 25's... He counted thus: 25, 50, 75, 100, 125, etc.... HE was already used to numbers like 144", AKA 12 feet. Because he OWNED his own 12 foot tape, And his 25 foot tape measures !!!!! He then did the 5000 section of the math, yes, counting to that First One thousand, in units of 25, WAS A REAL CHORE, on his face, I could see him in the struggle...

    (How Many of YOUR TEACHERS have SEEN that struggle look)?

    After his 1000 mark, he had Elation of JOY, and renewed efforts in getting to, 2000, 3000, 4000, 5000 and so we knew, both of us, that 200 units of 25, Added to 8 units of 25, Added to 3 units of 25 PLUS Five more feet, equals One Mile.

    Now, I will fast forward, a bit, Grand Son is in Third grade, and asks for help figuring out the Area inside a TRIANGLE.

    I gave him my (quick and simple) method, producing the Correct Answer...He comes home the Next day he is MAD at ME. Why? Not because I gave him the Correct answer, He Failed that math problem, because HE did NOT do it, "the teacher's method" and that same Correct Answer, done ~her way~ he would have PASSED.

    I do not have a Teaching Credential, but I worked at both a primary school, and an elemenary/middle school, and I have seen teachers from K>8 mis speak, mis-represent MATH, because for them, it is "their way, or the Hiway".

    Wrong.

    Teach results that are correct is good. Then, if needed, HELP, by restating how the teacher Would ~Like~ it done, until there is a meeting of the minds.

    I have been asked by a Primary Teacher, if I could
    my spelling may be off, due to my own Brain Disfunctions, but I can and Did tell her, she was refering to the Mortar, from the latin, molar to grind !!!!!

    The next day, she came to me and said, I need to appologize, I felt YOU were Wrong, and trying to show Off... But I went to my dictionary, and found you were correct, forgive me, please !!!

    That is a Meeting of the MINDS, mine, I have had Three Traumatic Brain injuries, one by falling nearly twenty feet, age seventeen... i was at work.
    At age 20, I was shocked unconcious, by 90 Volts DC, grounding out on my right Cheek of my face, 35 feet in the air: my telephone Hand Set, which develops 90 VDC with a single Clack, well, I did not know, that my insulation had Just worn Out... I had used that hand Set ten times that day, no problems Thank GOD, for my Safety Belt, I hung unconcious, for about Two Minutes, timed by the Operator that I had Connected to!!!!
    The third TBI, was a mal-prescribed medicine, and it permenently destroyed part of my speech recognition center in my brain...

    In short, I write how I hear the word, unless I have spent Much time, in memorizing how the spelling is different:

    They're their, there, is a frequent one for me and many others.

    A person can spend time grammar nazi'ing, or they can accept the flaw, understanding what Was Meant...
    BUT To tell a child 5+5=11 is just Plain Morally Wrong.

    Philip,
    Wow that was a hard post to right, err Wright, uhh, write, in the Boon Docks ;-)
     
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  18. unklekippy

    unklekippy In The Mountains Near Sprague River Well-Known Member

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    Well, I for one read you loud and clear and I very much agree.

    Whether we see eye to eye on everything else, this "new math" is something I think we can all hold in contempt together.
     
  19. jbett98

    jbett98 NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    My wife is a librarian at a grade school in SE Portland (Rockwood). It's 95 percent Hispanic enrollment.
    At least 1/4 of the school year is dedicated to the federal mandated bench mark testing, which is designed to find out what the children don't know.
    All of the teachers there believe that the testing is a waste of time and they should go back to teaching the basic essentials needed in real life.
    The public school districts are hogtied to the federal funding and can't refuse to participate.
    If you want your kid(s) to have a better education, look into a private charter school if you can't home school them yourself.
     
  20. clambo

    clambo Vancouver, Wa. Well-Known Member

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    May God or the deity of your choice or 3 traumatic brain injuries help us all.