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Ukraine protests turn into fiery street battles

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  1. ATCclears

    ATCclears Seattle area, WA Well-Known Member

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    Ukraine protests turn into fiery street battles

    (pics and vid in the link)

    KIEV, Ukraine (AP) — Anti-government protests in Ukraine's capital escalated into fiery street battles with police Sunday as thousands of demonstrators hurled rocks and firebombs to set police vehicles ablaze. Dozens of officers and protesters were injured.

    Police responded with stun grenades, tear gas and water cannons, but were outnumbered by the protesters. Many of the riot police held their shields over their heads to protect themselves from the projectiles thrown by demonstrators on the other side of a cordon of buses.

    The violence was a sharp escalation of Ukraine's two-month political crisis, which has brought round-the-clock protest gatherings, but had been largely peaceful.

    Opposition leader Vitali Klitschko tried to persuade demonstrators to stop their unrest, but failed and was sprayed by a fire extinguisher in the process. Klitschko later traveled to President Viktor Yanukovych's suburban residence and said the president has agreed to negotiate.

    "There are only two ways for events to develop. The first one is not to negotiate," Klitschko was quoted as saying by the Interfax news agency. "A scenario of force can be unpredictable and I don't rule out the possibility of a civil war. ... And here we are using all possibilities in order to prevent bloodshed."

    Yanukovych said later on his Web site that he has tasked a working group, headed by national security council head Andriy Klyuev, to meet with opposition representatives to work out a solution to the crisis. However, it was unclear if either side was prepared for real compromise; throughout the crisis, the opposition has insisted on the government's resignation and calling early presidential elections.

    The White House blamed the increased tensions on Ukraine's government for failing to acknowledge its people's legitimate grievances and threatened sanctions if the use of violence continues.

    National Security Council spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden said Ukraine's government "has moved to weaken the foundations of Ukraine's democracy by criminalizing peaceful protest and stripping civil society and political opponents of key democratic protections under the law."

    She called on Ukraine to repeal recent laws limiting protests, remove riot police from downtown Kiev and start talking to the opposition.

    "The U.S. will continue to consider additional steps -- including sanctions -- in response to the use of violence," Hayden said in a statement.

    The crisis erupted in November after Yanukovych's decision to freeze ties with the European Union and seek a huge bailout from Russia. The decision sparked protests, which increased in size and determination after police twice violently dispersed demonstrators.

    But anger rose substantially after Yanukovych last week signed an array of laws severely limiting protests and banning the wearing of helmets and gas masks.

    Many of Sunday's demonstrators wore hardhats and masks in defiance of the new laws. They set several police buses on fire and some chased and beat officers.

    Police responded with tear gas and stun grenades. Water cannons were also fired at the protesters in temperatures of -8 C (18 F), but the clashes continued.

    The harsh new laws brought a crowd of tens of thousands to the protest at Kiev's central square on Sunday.

    While most remained on the square, a group of radicals marched toward a police cordon several hundred meters away blocking an area housing government offices and began attacking riot police with sticks to push their way toward Ukraine's parliament building. The crowd then swelled to thousands.

    The blasts of stun grenades echoed and plumes of smoke rose above the crowd. Activists chanted "Shame!" and "Revolution." The Interior Ministry said more than 70 police were injured, four of them seriously; there were no immediate figures for protester injuries.

    The ministry also said a criminal case had been opened on charges of mass disorder; convictions under that charge could bring prison sentences of up to 15 years.

    Klitschko's top allies, who stood by his side at the peaceful rally earlier in the day, didn't show up at the site of the clashes for the most of the day. Instead, they called for a peaceful means of protest from nearby Independence Square and condemned the clashes.

    "No power in the country is worth losing at least one human life," protest leader Arseniy Yatsenyuk said from the stage at the central square as the clashes dragged late into the evening a few hundred meters away. "That is why I condemn the violence that took place just now."

    Scores of opposition leaders and journalists have been attacked, harassed and prosecuted, since the anti-government protests started Nov. 21.

    Yanukovych's government has ignored previous demands made by the opposition.

    Opposition leaders denounced Yanukovych's legislation as unconstitutional and called for the formation of parallel governing structures in the country.

    "The power in Ukraine belongs to the people," Yatsenyuk said.
     
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  2. JackThompson

    JackThompson Valley of the Demons Well-Known Member

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    If only they could see that in themselves...
     
  3. ATCclears

    ATCclears Seattle area, WA Well-Known Member

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  4. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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  5. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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    Makes you wonder if Americans will ever get fed up enough to riot. Probably not. Americans don't take out their aggressions with violence. We have texting and Twittering for that.

    If it gets much worse I could see some American males swinging their purses in anger or stopping their trips to Starbucks.

    The following statistics come from various surveys and opinion polls that have been conducted recently. Without a doubt, these numbers show that Americans are angrier and more frustrated than ever…

    #1 65 percent of Americans are dissatisfied “with the U.S. system of government and its effectiveness”. That is the highest level of dissatisfaction that Gallup has ever recorded.

    #2 66 percent of Americans are dissatisfied “with the size and power of federal government”.

    #3 70 percent of Americans do not have confidence that the government will “make progress on the important problems and issues facing the country in 2014.”

    #4 Only 8 percent of Americans believe that Congress is doing a “good” or “excellent” job.

    #5 Only 4 percent of Americans believe that it would “change Congress for the worse” if every member was voted out during the next election.

    #6 60 percent of Americans report feeling “angry or irritable”. Two years ago that number was at 50 percent.

    #7 53 percent of Americans believe that the Obama administration is “not competent in running the government”.

    #8 An all-time low 31 percent of Americans identify themselves as Democrats.

    #9 An all-time low 25 percent of Americans identify themselves as Republicans.

    #10 An all-time high 42 percent of Americans identify themselves as Independents.

    #11 Barack Obama’s daily job approval numbers have dipped down into the high thirties several times lately.

    #12 Only 38 percent of Americans approve of the way that Obama is handling the economy.

    #13 60 percent of Americans believe that the “economic system in this country unfairly favors the wealthy”.

    #14 70 percent of Americans do not “feel engaged or inspired at their jobs”.

    #15 Two-thirds of U.S. teens “admit to having anger attacks involving the destruction of property, threats of violence, or engaging in violence”.

    #16 36 percent of Americans admit that they have yelled at customer service agents during the past year.

    #17 73 percent of Americans believe that Obama’s efforts to “reform” the NSA “won’t make much difference in protecting people’s privacy”.

    #18 77 percent of Americans believe that the state of the economy is either “not so good” or “poor”.

    #19 65 percent of Americans are either “somewhat dissatisfied” or “very dissatisfied” with the direction of the country.

    Are you starting to get the picture?

    We have never seen anything like this in the United States during the post-World War II era. People are fundamentally unhappy, and that has tremendous implications for the future of our society.

    So what is causing all of this anger and frustration?

    Well, of course the economic struggles that tens of millions of Americans are experiencing on a daily basis play a huge role. The following is an excerpt from a recent local Fox News report…

    Some are describing this as “America’s anger epidemic.” And there are a few reasons: uncertainty in the job market and the economy, working long hours — on average about one month more now than they did in the 1970s and with less vacation.

    So if it seems like Americans are angrier these days it’s because we are.

    And it is easy to understand why people are becoming increasingly frustrated with the incompetence and rampant corruption in Washington D.C.…

    Grim findings have been coming thick and fast. Most Americans no longer see President Barack Obama as honest. Half think that he “knowingly lied” to pass his Obamacare health law. Fewer than one in five trust the government in Washington to do what is right all or most of the time. Confidence in Congress has fallen to record lows: in America, as in Italy and Greece, just one in ten voters expresses trust or confidence in the national parliament. Frankly straining credulity, a mammoth, 107-country poll by Transparency International, a corruption monitor, this summer found Americans more likely than Italians to say that they feel that the police, business and the media are all “corrupt or extremely corrupt”.

    Americans are also turning on one another. Since 1972 the Chicago-based General Social Survey (GSS) has been asking whether most people can be trusted, or whether “you can’t be too careful” in daily life. Four decades ago Americans were evenly split. Now almost two-thirds say others cannot be trusted, a record high.

    In addition, there are certainly other reasons why people are so angry these days as well…

    The “Knockout Game” grows more popular. Athletes throw tantrums that would embarrass most 3-year-olds. Race relations simmer at a constant near-boil, while our leaders engage in enough posturing and name-calling to look more like a modern version of “West Side Story” than the servant-citizens who should inspire peace and mutual respect.

    So what do you believe?

    Why do you think that Americans are so angry and so frustrated these days?

    Is there anything we can do about it?

    And how bad will the anger and frustration in this country get when the economy completely collapses?


    it/bold from American Dream Blog
     
  6. ATCclears

    ATCclears Seattle area, WA Well-Known Member

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  7. Father of four

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    I already stopped going to the anti-firearms Starbucks and I guess I could borrow a purse from the wife or a daughter if needed. :chairfight:
     
  8. Martini_Up

    Martini_Up NW USA Well-Known Member

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    Anytime a group assembles and another group tries to disperse that group you have the basic elements of a potential riot.

    If you have studied/practiced riot control, you know how easily they can form ;)
     
  9. Father of four

    Father of four Portland, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Especially if your countries constitution states that the people have a right and freedom of assembly and the right to protest their grievances with their government.

    Then if the government comes to break it/them up, sure the people might get a bit testy.
     
  10. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    Feeling pretty testy, already
     
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  11. Father of four

    Father of four Portland, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Lots of people are testy these days.
     
  12. Father of four

    Father of four Portland, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    The American citizens still have it too good and haven't been pissed off yet.
     
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  13. peetar

    peetar Kitsap County Active Member

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    It takes hunger to create this kind of angst. Americans will not rise up until it effects their wallets directly. Just like Obamacare.

    The Ukranians are protesting policies the Obama administration would love to enforce on americans. Ideas so good, they need to be enforced.
     
  14. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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    I like Gerald Celente. He's a smart guy and has a good heart, but I don't agree with his assessment that we will riot like the Greeks or everywhere else. Americans have been pacified, dumbed down, and mind-numbed for far too long.

    Celente Warns Of Coming Riots: ?The Collapse Is Engulfing The World? | The Daily Sheeple

    I do agree with this however:

    What we’re talking about here is the collapse of the economy of the United States of America – the richest nation on Earth.

    The consequences will be devastating on every level and those of us on Main Street will be taking the brunt of the impact.

    Imagine a situation where jobs continue to be shed by the hundreds of thousands every month without abatement. A situation where the price of basic essentials like energy and food rise without restraint. A situation where medical care is so expensive that average Americans will go bankrupt trying to pay for government mandated coverage. A situation where whatever money you do have in savings becomes worthless because our currency loses credibility around the world.

    This is what’s happening right now.

    The scary version: There is no way to turn this around. It’s just going to get progressively worse.

    If you haven’t taken steps to prepare – to insulate yourself for an economic end of the world as we know it – then life for you and your family is going to be horrific.


    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/...mention-during-the-state-of-the-union-address