Turn your firearm break in cleaning world upside down

[mjbskwim]

I don't have TV,just webbernetter You tuber and finding movies. So I subscribe to Long Range Shooters of Utah. Kinda like T. rex good long range stuff
So the guy goes to the shot show and talks to John Kreiger? about barrels,cleaning and break in. Then he talks to George Gardner from GA Precision on the same topics
Very interesting information that isn't exactly what I have heard from most "smarter" gun folks about break in and how many rounds before cleaning
500????? Yep that's the story
Hey worth the ten minutes or so on the first and I'll finish watching the half hour one in a it
Have fun

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[No_Regerts]

I've been saying this for a while. I think break-in proceedures are generally futile. Just shoot it.

 

[The Nothing]

I've been saying this for a while. I think break-in proceedures are generally futile. Just shoot it.

That's what my barrel manufacture suggested.

 

[Flopsweat]

Here's the index to the Krieger video if you want to watch just specific parts:

 

[bbbass]

Clean it when it's dirty, period.

 

[Flopsweat]

Clean it when it's dirty, period.

Nobody who's ever told me to clean every X shots during "break in" could cite a study or statistics to support their opinion. Usually it was some famous guy said you should do this. Occasionally it was the factory says you should do this, which I suppose is more compelling, but for those of us of the "why" bent, there was never a satisfying answer. My favorite .22 rifle shoots best when I don't clean it. So I seldom do anymore. It has not rusted yet.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

I do know that if I do not clean my guns ... My dad would come back and give me "What for!"
Not to forget any number of NCO's who might take displeasure at the state of my rifle..

I say clean it after you shoot it ... and not worry about any "Break in "period.
No real reason ... Just my experience and saying what works for me.
Andy

 

[MrNatural]

Well now that 500 rounds thing may be true for a custom barrel that has already been lapped. But for the rest of the new barrels I think the traditional break-in is justified. If nothing else it does no harm. And Pappy used to say:

"If you can't afford to lose, you can't afford to gamble.

and

"Never be too proud to hedge your bets!"

I have always used a 40-round initial break-in protocol. It goes remarkably quickly with just a little forethought.

Have a partner with two cleaning rods (single piece - no jointeds!) . One with a copper brush and one with a patch holder and wet patches. Have a drip or squirt bottle of bore cleaner handy to clean the brush after each cleaning. One guy shoots and clears/safes the rifle. The other guy cleans after the requisite shots - three brush passes and one patched pass through and back. Goes remarkably quickly. The whole procedure takes about 10 minutes.

Teamwork makes the impossible simple. - Old Ranger Saying

1 round x 10 times, cleaning between rounds
2 rounds x 5 times cleaning between strings
5 rounds x 2 times "
10 rounds x 1 time "

Simple and quick. At worst it certainly does no harm. It's cheap insurance.

 

[ron]

I purchased a Kreiger 20 inch AR 'Service Rifle' barrel a few years ago.
For High Power rifle 'across the course' matches.
I followed the manufacturer's break in procedures. 1 shot and clean times 5.
3 shots and clean 5 times. 5 shots and clean 5 times. This Kreiger is the
most exspensive barrel I have ever purchased. It is also the most accurate
barrel I have ever owned. With the money I spent I figure I can put some
time in on break in. Who knows if the barrel would of shot the same
without there break in procedure? I am very pleased with how well
this barrel shoots. I use a compact 2X7 scope bolted on to the carry
handle to do load testing. 100 yard 5-shot groups of 1/4 inch to 1/2 inch.

 

[nehalemguy]

1 round x 10 times, cleaning between rounds
2 rounds x 5 times cleaning between strings
5 rounds x 2 times "
10 rounds x 1 time "

Simple and quick. At worst it certainly does no harm. It's cheap insurance.

This is similar to what is prescribed in the owners manual of the PTR-91 I purchased last December although they describe this as a break-in for the rifle as a whole and not just the barrel.

They call out.....
1 shot/clean for the first 10 rounds.
10-20 shots/clean for the next 200-300 rounds.

E

 

[Stomper]

I like my guns like I like my women. Nice and clean with no smudge marks on the outside, but a little dirty on the inside.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Sooo many things I want to say to this ... but then I remember its a family friendly forum!
Andy

I like my guns like I like my women. Nice and clean with no smudge marks on the outside, but a little dirty on the inside.

 

[Stomper]

I intended to put a gag on half the forum denizens with that comment, it's working!


I'm actually a cruel man sometimes.

 

[No_Regerts]

Well now that 500 rounds thing may be true for a custom barrel that has already been lapped. But for the rest of the new barrels I think the traditional break-in is justified. If nothing else it does no harm. And Pappy used to say:

"If you can't afford to lose, you can't afford to gamble.

and

"Never be too proud to hedge your bets!"

I have always used a 40-round initial break-in protocol. It goes remarkably quickly with just a little forethought.

Have a partner with two cleaning rods (single piece - no jointeds!) . One with a copper brush and one with a patch holder and wet patches. Have a drip or squirt bottle of bore cleaner handy to clean the brush after each cleaning. One guy shoots and clears/safes the rifle. The other guy cleans after the requisite shots - three brush passes and one patched pass through and back. Goes remarkably quickly. The whole procedure takes about 10 minutes.

Teamwork makes the impossible simple. - Old Ranger Saying

1 round x 10 times, cleaning between rounds
2 rounds x 5 times cleaning between strings
5 rounds x 2 times "
10 rounds x 1 time "

Simple and quick. At worst it certainly does no harm. It's cheap insurance.

I've never been given an answer as to what that is supposed to accomplish? Fire lapping using soft copper jacketed bullets is futile. I've seen abrasive coated bullets kike Tubbs Final Finish that are supposed to be fired in sequence with varying levels of abrasive to remove burrs from the barrel. Without something, it just seems that a burr becomes a spot to collect copper fowling otherwise.

A lot of knowledgeable shooters know how to properly clean a rifle. What happens to the less- knowledgeable guy who takes his metal cleaning rod and throttles it muzzle-first into his rifle over and ove for the first however many rounds, just because he read it somewhere? Its like a roofer giving you a pressure washer for a DIY roof cleaning project to me.

 

[B5Ben]

Going to have to watch those. Makes me feel a bit better as I am not religious about cleaning immediately after a range trip. Sometimes its a day or two or seven.....

 

[Member 5605]

I clean my rifle when groups get larger.

Need to watch the videos though.

 

[UserNameInUse]

Nobody who's ever told me to clean every X shots during "break in" could cite a study or statistics to support their opinion

Statistical data is not necessary on the internet. As long as most people agree with your theory it becomes fact.

 

[bbbass]

I like my guns like I like my women. Nice and clean with no smudge marks on the outside, but a little dirty on the inside.

Taken literally, that is icky.

 

[mjbskwim]

Well now that 500 rounds thing may be true for a custom barrel that has already been lapped. But for the rest of the new barrels I think the traditional break-in is justified. If nothing else it does no harm. And Pappy used to say:

"If you can't afford to lose, you can't afford to gamble.

and

"Never be too proud to hedge your bets!"

I have always used a 40-round initial break-in protocol. It goes remarkably quickly with just a little forethought.

Have a partner with two cleaning rods (single piece - no jointeds!) . One with a copper brush and one with a patch holder and wet patches. Have a drip or squirt bottle of bore cleaner handy to clean the brush after each cleaning. One guy shoots and clears/safes the rifle. The other guy cleans after the requisite shots - three brush passes and one patched pass through and back. Goes remarkably quickly. The whole procedure takes about 10 minutes.

Teamwork makes the impossible simple. - Old Ranger Saying

1 round x 10 times, cleaning between rounds
2 rounds x 5 times cleaning between strings
5 rounds x 2 times "
10 rounds x 1 time "

Simple and quick. At worst it certainly does no harm. It's cheap insurance.

Well the second is saying it can do harm

 

[Brutus57]

I intended to put a gag on half the forum denizens with that comment, it's working!


I'm actually a cruel man sometimes.

Ball gag? Or hollow point?

Brutus Out