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The UN Small Arms Treaty is for real and a serious threat

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Blitzkrieg, Mar 17, 2013.

  1. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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  2. coyote223

    coyote223 NW Oregon Stamp Collector,,,

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    Nobama's plan-B? One way or another he is gonna destroy the 2nd,,,
     
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  3. Profiteering

    Profiteering America New Member

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    "Foriegn or Domestic":funnypoint:
     
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  4. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    The NRA and others have been warning of this for years!
     
  5. OLDNEWBIE

    OLDNEWBIE State of Flux Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for posting this. Since Sandy Hook and the new attempt at an assault weapons ban this hasn't been getting enough attention. These leftists are going at us from every angle!
     
  6. Kevatc

    Kevatc Oregon Well-Known Member

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    The American Bar Association’s Center for Human Rights said in a white paper last month that “it is unlikely the proposed treaty would compromise Second Amendment rights,” and if it did, “the treaty itself would be void


    This treaty proposal has been around for years. The idea that a treaty can't usurp the Constitution has been around a lot longer.
     
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  7. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Even if the US doesn't ratify it the foreign companies might be obliged to follow it and cut off supplies of guns and ammo made outside the US and shipped here.
     
  8. Kevatc

    Kevatc Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Is there a problem letting US companies supply the ammo and parts for guns that you're talking about for American consumers?
     
  9. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    A better question would be: "Is there a problem with the 35% of firearms available to Americans currently that are imported?"
    Another would be: "Do we want the executive branch and the BATFE to be the sole arbiters of which weapons are American able to buy?"

    Arms Trade Treaty and the Second Amendment: Executive Actions

    That is what is at stake.
    Then there is the aspect of controlling our imports from the exporters shore.
    The U.N.'s stance is hypocritical on free trade as soon as firearms are part or all of the shipment.

    The ratification of the ATT needs to be stopped, no matter what the prez and his crony gun grabbers say about it.
     
  10. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Yes, they have. And how many people have said they were crazy? How many on this forum dismissed it as paranoia?
    It's pretty hard to protect someone's rights when they wear blinders.

    It's not just the NRA. SAF's Alan Gottlieb has been sounding the alarm as well, and he was instrumental in creating IAPCAR, an international gun rights group.

    U.N. global gun control effort begins anew

    New talks about an old subject – international gun control – begin today at the United Nations in New York, and sure to be involved at some point is the Bellevue-based International Association for the Protection of Civilian Arms Rights (IAPCAR)…

    U.N. global gun control effort begins anew - Seattle gun rights | Examiner.com


    MY little numbers experiment is still under way. Anybody going in to read this thing, please click the "like" button.
     
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  11. Kevinkris

    Kevinkris Aloha Well-Known Member

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    hate to say it but this is old news. something to note here is that china and russia have both said they do not support it because of the rights it would take from their citizens. now if china of all places are worried about their citizens loosing rights shouldnt we be even more worried about it?
     
  12. Glock Jock

    Glock Jock Wilsonville , OR Well-Known Member

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    It will be a cold day south of heaven before I start caring what the U.N. thinks about how my country works.
     
  13. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, if you're a mil surp or HK roller locked guy.. US companies QC has gone downhill badly in many cases and surplus parts for say roller locks are far superior, not to mention cheaper

    Surp military ammo means we are better stocked up for the $$
     
  14. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    It's been around for a long time but it keeps climbing out of the grave to haunt us anew. Dave is totally correct.. I have lost track of the scoffers on gun forums who kept telling us it was nonsense and tin foil hat stuff
     
  15. Misterbill

    Misterbill Yakima County, Washington New Member

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    Fixxed that for ya:

    Russia and China both make it nearly impossible for their subjects to own arms. If you think these two countries object to the treaty on human rights issues, I have oceanfront property in Idaho I'd like to sell you.
     
  16. Misterbill

    Misterbill Yakima County, Washington New Member

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    This scoffer still thinks it's tinfoil hat stuff since:

    A: It has less than ZERO chance of getting through the Senate
    B: The constitution still trumps any treaty
    C: Language the NRA and others are asking to change is reasonable on it's face, contrary to what the gun-grabber from Amnesty (a known anti-gun group) claims.
     
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  17. Kevinkris

    Kevinkris Aloha Well-Known Member

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    actually if you read their reasons for disproving it matches what i said. also if im not mistaken you are right about it being hard to get a gun legally in china but in russia it is very similar to our laws aside from a few more hoops and the lack of guaranteed right of ownership.
     
  18. BSG 75

    BSG 75 Oregon Well-Known Member

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    It's even harder when they are wearing tin-foil hats. :bluelaugh:
    tinfoil-hat.jpg

    Before last December, with no real threats on the horizon and the anti-gun people in retreat, the paranoid needed something to get all worked up about, and the toothless UN treaty from the impotent UN fit the bill.

    But after Newtown we face real threats to gun rights in Salem and in Washington DC. Any attention and time wasted on the UN treaty is a distraction from the real fight.
     
  19. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    Yes that's why the NRA is taking it seriously
     
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  20. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    In Russia you can own AK47 semis, Saiga shotguns and 10 rd mags.. it's not that difficult. China is another matter