The UN Small Arms Treaty is for real and a serious threat

[Blitzkrieg]

NRA opposes U.N. arms treaty - The Washington Post

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[coyote223]

Nobama's plan-B? One way or another he is gonna destroy the 2nd,,,

 

[Profiteering]

"Foriegn or Domestic"

 

[deen_ad]

The NRA and others have been warning of this for years!

 

[OLDNEWBIE]

Thanks for posting this. Since Sandy Hook and the new attempt at an assault weapons ban this hasn't been getting enough attention. These leftists are going at us from every angle!

 

[Kevatc]

The American Bar Association’s Center for Human Rights said in a white paper last month that “it is unlikely the proposed treaty would compromise Second Amendment rights,” and if it did, “the treaty itself would be void.”


This treaty proposal has been around for years. The idea that a treaty can't usurp the Constitution has been around a lot longer.

 

[deen_ad]

The American Bar Association's Center for Human Rights said in a white paper last month that "it is unlikely the proposed treaty would compromise Second Amendment rights," and if it did, "the treaty itself would be void."


This treaty proposal has been around for years. The idea that a treaty can't usurp the Constitution has been around a lot longer.

Even if the US doesn't ratify it the foreign companies might be obliged to follow it and cut off supplies of guns and ammo made outside the US and shipped here.

 

[Kevatc]

Even if the US doesn't ratify it the foreign companies might be obliged to follow it and cut of supplies of gun and ammo made outside the US

Is there a problem letting US companies supply the ammo and parts for guns that you're talking about for American consumers?

 

[Jamie6.5]

A better question would be: "Is there a problem with the 35% of firearms available to Americans currently that are imported?"
Another would be: "Do we want the executive branch and the BATFE to be the sole arbiters of which weapons are American able to buy?"

Arms Trade Treaty and the Second Amendment: Executive Actions

That is what is at stake.
Then there is the aspect of controlling our imports from the exporters shore.
The U.N.'s stance is hypocritical on free trade as soon as firearms are part or all of the shipment.

The ratification of the ATT needs to be stopped, no matter what the prez and his crony gun grabbers say about it.

 

[Dave Workman]

The NRA and others have been warning of this for years!

Yes, they have. And how many people have said they were crazy? How many on this forum dismissed it as paranoia?
It's pretty hard to protect someone's rights when they wear blinders.

It's not just the NRA. SAF's Alan Gottlieb has been sounding the alarm as well, and he was instrumental in creating IAPCAR, an international gun rights group.

U.N. global gun control effort begins anew

New talks about an old subject – international gun control – begin today at the United Nations in New York, and sure to be involved at some point is the Bellevue-based International Association for the Protection of Civilian Arms Rights (IAPCAR)...

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MY little numbers experiment is still under way. Anybody going in to read this thing, please click the "like" button.

 

[Kevinkris]

hate to say it but this is old news. something to note here is that china and russia have both said they do not support it because of the rights it would take from their citizens. now if china of all places are worried about their citizens loosing rights shouldnt we be even more worried about it?

 

[Glock Jock]

It will be a cold day south of heaven before I start caring what the U.N. thinks about how my country works.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Is there a problem letting US companies supply the ammo and parts for guns that you're talking about for American consumers?

Yeah, if you're a mil surp or HK roller locked guy.. US companies QC has gone downhill badly in many cases and surplus parts for say roller locks are far superior, not to mention cheaper

Surp military ammo means we are better stocked up for the $$

 

[Blitzkrieg]

hate to say it but this is old news. something to note here is that china and russia have both said they do not support it because of the rights it would take from their citizens. now if china of all places are worried about their citizens loosing rights shouldnt we be even more worried about it?

It's been around for a long time but it keeps climbing out of the grave to haunt us anew. Dave is totally correct.. I have lost track of the scoffers on gun forums who kept telling us it was nonsense and tin foil hat stuff

 

[Misterbill]

Fixxed that for ya:

hate to say it but this is old news. something to note here is that china and russia have both said they do not support it because of the massive trade they do to the third world in small arms.

Russia and China both make it nearly impossible for their subjects to own arms. If you think these two countries object to the treaty on human rights issues, I have oceanfront property in Idaho I'd like to sell you.

 

[Misterbill]

This scoffer still thinks it's tinfoil hat stuff since:

A: It has less than ZERO chance of getting through the Senate
B: The constitution still trumps any treaty
C: Language the NRA and others are asking to change is reasonable on it's face, contrary to what the gun-grabber from Amnesty (a known anti-gun group) claims.

 

[Kevinkris]

actually if you read their reasons for disproving it matches what i said. also if im not mistaken you are right about it being hard to get a gun legally in china but in russia it is very similar to our laws aside from a few more hoops and the lack of guaranteed right of ownership.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Yes that's why the NRA is taking it seriously

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Fixxed that for ya:



Russia and China both make it nearly impossible for their subjects to own arms. If you think these two countries object to the treaty on human rights issues, I have oceanfront property in Idaho I'd like to sell you.

In Russia you can own AK47 semis, Saiga shotguns and 10 rd mags.. it's not that difficult. China is another matter

 

[Blitzkrieg]

That's what we pay them to do. We have more urgent problems to deal with in Salem.

Never said we should ignore local/state stuff