National The Passive Gun Owners of America Unite ???

[Gator Monroe]

Republican Texans save the DAY (Texas stays solid Red in Primaries ) with Texans understanding there are TWO Viable parties to vote for in this Election Cycles Primaries and they picked a side ...

 

[etrain16]

"If you always do what you always did you will always get what you always got"

We are playing a losing hand unless we toss a few cards and take a few new ones. I don't know what those cards are and the few things I can think of will take years to play out and by then we will have lost our rights to defend ourselves. I'm frustrated. The Oregon GOP is like a man who is happy to have his wife back after her boyfriend drops her off at 3 AM. It's been well established that they are content with their ever smaller piece of the pie and don't want to make waves standing up for gun owners.

@DuneHopper is correct that writing campaigns, especially pre written letters, are ignored unless they help the politician's agenda. I can say that we have a serious image problem that we need to overcome and that we will get no help from the media.

The suggestion earlier for toy drives is a good one, one that every club and organization like NWFA should be doing as well as other outreach programs. We need to push safety programs so we are known as responsible citizens and not "gun nuts". We have been dehumanized and caricatured - we need to fix that, adn we need to do it now.

The younger generations like the millennials, while having been brainwashed where it comes to firearms, also have issues with authorities. That's an opening for us. These are people who should be receptive to a Republic with minimum government (people telling them what to do). We need them to understand that the bigger the government the more they will be told what to do and how to do it. A political shift like this will prepare them to understand the importance of the BoR and how it prevents losing the freedom of a citizen to become a subject of the state.

We need to examine how the left is winning and then use their strategies and tactics against them. We can do to them what they have done to us.

Well said

 

[etrain16]

Republican Texans save the DAY (Texas stays solid Red in Primaries ) with Texans understanding there are TWO Viable parties to vote for in this Election Cycles Primaries and they picked a side ...

That's really good news considering that Texas has been turning a shade of blue for a while now. Good to know that, at least in that state, the conservatives and pro-2A folks bothered to show up to vote.

 

[etrain16]

Perhaps if we all voted out a few Democrats (Meaning vote in Republicans ) we could take away supermajorities and force hurdles on the Democrats . I know that's a tough sell around here (Considering many here have "Issues" as important as 2A/RTKBA )

Yup, and somehow there are republicans wanting to "compromise" on our rights. It's not that easy.

In Oregon, at least in and around the counties that are majority Democrat, it's going to be very difficult to get a true conservative, no-compromise Republican elected. Outer counties in rural Oregon, not as big a problem. But take Clackamas for example, where I live. We have one good, solid pro-2A guy and an anti-gun Democrat. They redrew the districts to capitalize on the high concentration of Democrats in the northwest part of the county - the part that touches (ewwww) Multnomah county.

Our best hope is to find some electable, pro-2A purple Republicans - people that the middle/moderates don't mind voting for, but that won't cave on 2A issues. I'm afraid the way the district maps are drawn in Oregon, that type of Republican is our only hope. The best possible scenario being a vote that can at least block any new legislation from happening. We had that blocking ability in Oregon for years and only just lost it in 2014. In 2016, we made up a little ground, taking away their super majority, but not enough ground to stop them in their tracks. We're only a few seats away from having the blocking votes we need. We just need to be aware of the candidates we can support and help them by spreading the word and even helping their campaigns for those who are inclined to do so.

I'm old enough to remember a time when Democrats were pro-gun as well. I still don't get what changed with them, but there was a time when guns were largely considered taboo for them to attack. Whatever changed that, it would be nice if we could find a way to reverse it.

I've said it before and will repeat it again - guns are not Republican vs Democrat, left vs right, conservative vs liberal. Every American has a right to be armed and every American should be defending that right. If folks have forgotten that, we need to find a way to remind them. I'm doing what I can, one person at a time, to try and change those attitudes.

 

[Caveman Jim]

Yup, and somehow there are republicans wanting to "compromise" on our rights. It's not that easy.

So by your logic (like many many many up in the Pacific Northwest) that you would rather continue to vote for Democrats? Can you see what that's got us into?
Call me old-fashioned but I'm a single issue voter anymore because the 2nd Amendment is yay too precious to piss away. I cannot, in good conscience, vote for a Democrat, EVER!!!

Flame on...

 

[Kruel J]

So by your logic (like many many many up in the Pacific Northwest) that you would rather continue to vote for Democrats? Can you see what that's got us into?
Call me old-fashioned but I'm a single issue voter anymore because the 2nd Amendment is yay too precious to piss away. I cannot, in good conscience, vote for a Democrat, EVER!!!

Flame on...

I never said I voted Democrat, Caveman.

 

[Caveman Jim]

"vote with your wallet" I happen to think this is VERY important, especially at this time. I myself have been doing this for years now but I have recently doubled down. I have changed every service, place I shop/spend money to exclude ANYWHERE with some type of anti freedom policy of any kind. Most recently I switched payment processors and web hosts for my business as well to 2a friendly options. *obviously there are some places I could not cut ties with because I do have family that I live with and provide for and they need certain things, but everything within reason has been done to speak with my dollar, even if its costs more*

If for nothing else, Ill do It because it makes me feel better!

I must say there are many people in America that have no problem buying through Amazon. Their reasoning for the most part, is I saved all kinds of money so I can buy more guns and ammo....
Look up the CEO of Amazon....
I cut ties over 5 years ago when Amazon Finance the Seattle Police Department gun buyback program. Nope I don't miss it at all.

 

[Gator Monroe]

I never said I voted Democrat, Caveman.

So you occasionally vote a Straight Republican Ticket ?

 

[Provincial]

Since the liberals have demonized the "rich" (meaning wealthy conservatives like the Koch brothers) I wonder why we don't have traction when we point out that Bloomberg and his Billionaire Buddies are financing the anti-2A attacks.

It seems that they are moving the country to represent a third-world class structure, with a tiny group of incredibly wealthy people at the top holding all of the power (financial, political, and military/police), the government/public employees beholden to that class for their jobs and stable income, and the rest of the population living powerless in relative poverty. Their goal is to disarm all but their minions and to destroy the middle class by exporting jobs and importing cheap labor/Democratic voters.

Educating the younger generations about this threat to their future is vital to defending 2A rights. It is something that they might understand as they deal with limited opportunity once they escape the propaganda of the Education Industry.

The Mainstream Media will never report this unless they sense "blood in the water" and then they will jump in to ride the tide of whoever has the momentum.

 

[3MTA3]

I must say there are many people in America that have no problem buying through Amazon. Their reasoning for the most part, is I saved all kinds of money so I can buy more guns and ammo....
Look up the CEO of Amazon....
I cut ties over 5 years ago when Amazon Finance the Seattle Police Department gun buyback program. Nope I don't miss it at all.

Every time I buy through Amazon, SAF gets a donation through the smile program. Didn't know about the gun buyback program, so will have to rethink a bit

 

[Caveman Jim]

"If you always do what you always did you will always get what you always got"

We are playing a losing hand unless we toss a few cards and take a few new ones. I don't know what those cards are and the few things I can think of will take years to play out and by then we will have lost our rights to defend ourselves. I'm frustrated. The Oregon GOP is like a man who is happy to have his wife back after her boyfriend drops her off at 3 AM. It's been well established that they are content with their ever smaller piece of the pie and don't want to make waves standing up for gun owners.

@DuneHopper is correct that writing campaigns, especially pre written letters, are ignored unless they help the politician's agenda. I can say that we have a serious image problem that we need to overcome and that we will get no help from the media.

The suggestion earlier for toy drives is a good one, one that every club and organization like NWFA should be doing as well as other outreach programs. We need to push safety programs so we are known as responsible citizens and not "gun nuts". We have been dehumanized and caricatured - we need to fix that, adn we need to do it now.

The younger generations like the millennials, while having been brainwashed where it comes to firearms, also have issues with authorities. That's an opening for us. These are people who should be receptive to a Republic with minimum government (people telling them what to do). We need them to understand that the bigger the government the more they will be told what to do and how to do it. A political shift like this will prepare them to understand the importance of the BoR and how it prevents losing the freedom of a citizen to become a subject of the state.

We need to examine how the left is winning and then use their strategies and tactics against them. We can do to them what they have done to us.

The major stick in the eye for the 2A proponent is from the media because it is so blatantly biased. That is a big hurdle to jump and if we can talk to people and show the biased content then we are inching closer to a V.

 

[Gator Monroe]

Since the liberals have demonized the "rich" (meaning wealthy conservatives like the Koch brothers) I wonder why we don't have traction when we point out that Bloomberg and his Billionaire Buddies are financing the anti-2A attacks.

It seems that they are moving the country to represent a third-world class structure, with a tiny group of incredibly wealthy people at the top holding all of the power (financial, political, and military/police), the government/public employees beholden to that class for their jobs and stable income, and the rest of the population living powerless in relative poverty. Their goal is to disarm all but their minions and to destroy the middle class by exporting jobs and importing cheap labor/Democratic voters.

Educating the younger generations about this threat to their future is vital to defending 2A rights. It is something that they might understand as they deal with limited opportunity once they escape the propaganda of the Education Industry.

The Mainstream Media will never report this unless they sense "blood in the water" and then they will jump in to ride the tide of whoever has the momentum.

So you as a person who can Identify the Far Left & Left as an enemy (Politically) can understand beating them at their own game ( Ridicule , shining a spotlight on their failings and un-American direction and methods , calling them what they really are ...

 

[Caveman Jim]

I never said I voted Democrat, Caveman.

Touche, like you're having problems ciphering DH's comments then I guess I'm not reading far enough between the lines to understand yours.
I apologize for assuming such.

 

[Gator Monroe]

The major stick in the eye for the 2A proponent is from the media because it is so blatantly biased. That is a big hurdle to jump and if we can talk to people and show the biased content then we are inching closer to a V.

They ( most Folks under 45 ) are brainwarshed from Pre School to post Grad School by Socialist (Closet Maoist ) Teachers & Profs , the MSM and Pop Culture and their Hatred of America runs deep , this is like a knifefight in a phone booth (Serious Stuff)

 

[Caveman Jim]

Every time I buy through Amazon, SAF gets a donation through the smile program. Didn't know about the gun buyback program, so will have to rethink a bit

I know it seems like it's just too good to be true but if people were to take that money up front and add $20 to it it would probably help. I refuse to give any money to any big Corporation that blatantly states they are against peoples inalienable rights.

This right here is a good point of what we all can do to get information out to the masses of gun proponents.Lets brainstorm here.

 

[Gator Monroe]

I know it seems like it's just too good to be true but if people were to take that money up front and add $20 to it it would probably help. I refuse to give any money to any big Corporation that blatantly states they are against peoples inalienable rights.

This right here is a good point of what we all can do to get information out to the masses of gun proponents.Lets brainstorm here.

Yes , keeping an eye on the prize (Politically & Socially ) when you use your purchasing power is a noble cause long term ...

 

[Caveman Jim]

That's really good news considering that Texas has been turning a shade of blue for a while now. Good to know that, at least in that state, the conservatives and pro-2A folks bothered to show up to vote.

Hooray for those who came out to vote for their rights. If more people had a sense of pride in their states (some cannot) and America then we would be in the lead in this country.
But alas most people nowadays are so confused by what the MSM and social media portrays as the Golden Goose.

The far left, Progressive liberals from California and the East Coast have infiltrated many states. Oregon Washington for a few examples and also Idaho have had major political changes and the larger cities.

 

[Gator Monroe]

Hooray for those who came out to vote for their rights. If more people had a sense of pride in their states (some cannot) and America then we would be in the lead in this country.
But alas most people nowadays are so confused by what the MSM and social media portrays as the Golden Goose.

The far left, Progressive liberals from California and the East Coast have infiltrated many states. Oregon Washington for a few examples and also Idaho have had major political changes and the larger cities.

There are Liberal Carpetbaggers & Transplants from Chicago & Flushing Queens NY and The Bronx & Maryland & Baltimore & Omaha & DC & Newport News & Miami/Orlando ... so thinking every Liberal is an Expat Californian is a Joke and not giving credit where credit is due (And BTW many of those "Californians" you speak about are originally from another State and they went to California first ...

 

[etrain16]

Hooray for those who came out to vote for their rights. If more people had a sense of pride in their states (some cannot) and America then we would be in the lead in this country.
But alas most people nowadays are so confused by what the MSM and social media portrays as the Golden Goose.

The far left, Progressive liberals from California and the East Coast have infiltrated many states. Oregon Washington for a few examples and also Idaho have had major political changes and the larger cities.

Personally, I think we have the votes, even as the minority, to make some real change in Oregon. In an average election, you're lucky to get 50% turnout. If you could find a way to get near 100% turnout of conservative, pro-gun voters, you could, effectively, wield a majority vote in the election - maybe not at the Governor level, but certainly at the state rep and senator levels. But I watch the return results - conservatives/Republicans routinely don't bother to vote. Maybe they think it's not worth the time - and if that's the case, it's a total joke since Oregon is all mail-in ballots. Honestly, I think at least some Dems in Oregon are somewhat apathetic too. If they can't pull 100% or even 50%, we do actually have a chance to beat them in some races. We only need 3-4 more in the State Senate to make a big impact. That is doable, but only if Republicans and other conservative leaning folks get out and vote.

I really do get sick of hearing folks that say they didn't vote. That is probably hurting us more in Oregon than the Dems that do vote.

 

[Gator Monroe]

Personally, I think we have the votes, even as the minority, to make some real change in Oregon. In an average election, you're lucky to get 50% turnout. If you could find a way to get near 100% turnout of conservative, pro-gun voters, you could, effectively, wield a majority vote in the election. But I watch the return results - conservatives/Republicans routinely don't bother to vote. Maybe they think it's not worth the time - and if that's the case, it's a total joke since Oregon is all mail-in ballots. Honestly, I think at least some Dems in Oregon are somewhat apathetic too. If they can't pull 100% or even 50%, we do actually have a chance to beat them in some races. We only need 3-4 more in the State Senate to make a big impact. That is doable, but only if Republicans and other conservative leaning folks get out and vote.

I really do get sick of hearing folks that say they didn't vote. That is probably hurting us more in Oregon than the Dems that do vote.

The Idea that millennial Brainwarshed Neckbeard small time growers and their trimmers can be more motivated to get to the polls in a primary or non POTUS election cycle than 2A / RTKBA Conservatives who are aware of the precarious place politically America/ Oregon/ pick your state is in makes me disappointed ...