Texas AG sues CTD for gouging

[slimmer13]

They should have the right to charge stupid prices and we (the consumer) should put them out of business.

That's the way it should work. The problem is we aren't doing our job.

 

[WillametteWill]

Now people can say well they should have prepared before... or it's not my fault... ummm last I knew I lived in a country where everyone was to be treated as equals and given the right to defend themselves!

And I quote, "A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." That would also include making sure that they can afford to do so without some company price gouging! Shall not be infringed is pretty simple English to me.

Not the first time this has come up (even since COVID and rioting) but, respectfully, it is not my government's job to make things affordable for me to protect myself. Again respectfully but it is shocking to me that folks who want the government to not regulate firearms, now to regulate the market that allows us to purchase firearms. Treated equal means we have equal opportunity, not government control so we can have what we want "affordable" to us.

Free market, prices too high? Don't shop there. Guess what? When prices get too high it stimulates competition and someone else moves in with better prices or services. We are in a total market disruption with all kinds of costs for retailers going up drastically. When we limit what price they can sell items for they eventually go out of business, cutting supply and again raising prices.

A agree Dirtier than Cheep are scum with $100 / box .380 ammo. But if I wasn't on a firearms forum I would think I'm reading an AOC press release from The Squad...respectfully.

 

[WillametteWill]

Now as far as the Capitalism statements. So it's acceptable to price gouge someone in an emergency situation? Who does that effect?

There's a difference between raising your prices and gouging.

If I can find it again I'll post a very insightful article that I read early on during the COVID mess. It basically showed how gouging of essential services was a benefit. Yes, benefit. This is because is causes competition and prices to go down naturally. Someone noted prior that when the big box stores raised prices on plywood that people showed up in trucks from out of the area with plywood to sell...at a lower price. Supply goes up, prices go down. When the cost of doing business goes up (due to increased wholesale prices, shipping cost increases, etc.) and prices are held (by the government) artificially low, companies opt out of providing those supplies, thus reducing supply and increasing cost even more.

I get it, it sounds mean, but when you mess with a system that works in a certain manner, it makes the system no longer work.

 

[Mikej]

Not the first time this has come up (even since COVID and rioting) but, respectfully, it is not my government's job to make things affordable for me to protect myself. Again respectfully but it is shocking to me that folks who want the government to not regulate firearms, now to regulate the market that allows us to purchase firearms. Treated equal means we have equal opportunity, not government control so we can have what we want "affordable" to us.

Free market, prices too high? Don't shop there. Guess what? When prices get too high it stimulates competition and someone else moves in with better prices or services. We are in a total market disruption with all kinds of costs for retailers going up drastically. When we limit what price they can sell items for they eventually go out of business, cutting supply and again raising prices.

A agree Dirtier than Cheep are scum with $100 / box .380 ammo. But if I wasn't on a firearms forum I would think I'm reading an AOC press release from The Squad...respectfully.

If I can find it again I'll post a very insightful article that I read early on during the COVID mess. It basically showed how gouging of essential services was a benefit. Yes, benefit. This is because is causes competition and prices to go down naturally. Someone noted prior that when the big box stores raised prices on plywood that people showed up in trucks from out of the area with plywood to sell...at a lower price. Supply goes up, prices go down. When the cost of doing business goes up (due to increased wholesale prices, shipping cost increases, etc.) and prices are held (by the government) artificially low, companies opt out of providing those supplies, thus reducing supply and increasing cost even more.

I get it, it sounds mean, but when you mess with a system that works in a certain manner, it makes the system no longer work.

Yup and yup!

 

[FordPrefect]

If I can find it again I'll post a very insightful article that I read early on during the COVID mess. It basically showed how gouging of essential services was a benefit. Yes, benefit. This is because is causes competition and prices to go down naturally. Someone noted prior that when the big box stores raised prices on plywood that people showed up in trucks from out of the area with plywood to sell...at a lower price. Supply goes up, prices go down. When the cost of doing business goes up (due to increased wholesale prices, shipping cost increases, etc.) and prices are held (by the government) artificially low, companies opt out of providing those supplies, thus reducing supply and increasing cost even more.

I get it, it sounds mean, but when you mess with a system that works in a certain manner, it makes the system no longer work.

It may have come from Reason Magazine.

 

[WillametteWill]

It may have come from Reason Magazine.

Yes, thank you. That was one of the articles. Makes sense it would be from Stossel. Thank you!

 

[Medic!]

The day somebody can tell me what to sell my property for.


Is the day I smash it to HEII and set it on FIRE.

 

[DangerDog]

No need to waste time and effort to sue when folks can simply not buy from them! They'll get the message real quick if folks stop using them. Folks don't realize how much power us the consumers have. Don't like the prices? Go somewhere else like you would anywhere. Just like how I disregard classifieds on here that price gouge and don't offer shipping. I simply block/ignore, don't bother with'em and move on.

 

[AK0perator47]

Yes, thank you. That was one of the articles. Makes sense it would be from Stossel. Thank you!

Thank you for your extra insight on the subject and there's a bunch of things that are involved in price etc...

 

[WillametteWill]

The day somebody can tell me what to sell my property for.


Is the day I smash it to HEII and set it on FIRE.

Who is John Galt?

Amen to your post my brother from another mother.

 

[P7M13]

The day somebody can tell me what to sell my property for..Is the day I smash it to HEII and set it on FIRE.

Or go out shootin' with it in a mandatory 'buy back.'

 

[Member 34319]

Here's my issue with commodity laws.

So through mandating prices and controlling natural capitalism's approach to supply and demand, the public's needs are now greater than the individuals. In the case of something like bottled water or gasoline. The owner of that property, yes it is that person's private property, doesn't get to have his private property rights. They get pushed aside because others needs are greater?

Here is my catch. This now blurs the defining institution of private property. This logic now opens the doors to eliminate private property rights.

Your right to own anything can now be superseded by the needs of the many. Essentially voiding the 5th amendment.

Here is a stretch of a comparison, but I'll use it to demonstrate this part of logic. Kill the 5th and the 2nd in one sweep of public outcry.

The demand of the greater good of the many says that people should not own guns.

It's a stretch, but if we are removing individual rights for the rights of a community to control an entities ability to charge what it wants for its private property, then what's to say we can't remove someone's rights to have private property entirely when the communities need dictate?

 

[ditchtiger]

So we should pick and choose which laws to follow?

That's how the democratic party operates.

 

[titsonritz]

The demand of the greater good of the many says that people should not own guns.

It's a stretch, but if we are removing individual rights for the rights of a community to control an entities ability to charge what it wants for its private property, then what's to say we can't remove someone's rights to have private property entirely when the communities need dictate?

You mean like eminent domain?

 

[Basedgreaser]

the fact that people are willing to spend 900$ for a thousand rounds basic 55gr, well they deserve it at that price.

 

[Flopsweat]

I thought the plus was... Texas has a whorehouse in it?!

But there's nothin' dirty goin' on!
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=Ad2-FiCzJxc

 

[Member 34319]

You mean like eminent domain?

That's rarely used for consumer goods, that's when government takes things for their own use, like a stretch of homes alongside a freeway to widen it.

I guess it could be used to take gasoline to fuel a war if we were invaded. At that point, I don't think the owner of said fuel would be too mad.

Taking private property to give to the part of the public that complains the most, is a form of socialism.

We sort of already do it, legally through the 5th amendment. By subsidizing. Government mandates something as a commodity, regulates it, has to subsidize it. Fuels and foods are heavily subsidized.

Farmers like this, go along with it, until the subsidies aren't worth jack, then you'll see farmers destroying product instead of taking losses.

 

[Flopsweat]

That's rarely used for consumer goods, that's when government takes things for their own use, like a stretch of homes alongside a freeway to widen it.

I guess it could be used to take gasoline to fuel a war if we were invaded. At that point, I don't think the owner of said fuel would be too mad.

Taking private property to give to the part of the public that complains the most, is a form of socialism.

We sort of already do it, legally through the 5th amendment. By subsidizing. Government mandates something as a commodity, regulates it, has to subsidize it. Fuels and foods are heavily subsidized.

Farmers like this, go along with it, until the subsidies aren't worth jack, then you'll see farmers destroying product instead of taking losses.

Taking is the only thing most states have gotten better at over the last couple hundred years.

 

[Member 5605]

Interesting considering that firearm shops were considered essential.
Wouldn't that mean...?

 

[Member 34319]

Interesting considering that firearm shops were considered essential.
Wouldn't that mean...?

They tried, but likely didn't want to deal with the constitutional backlash.

I'd be more interested to see how many politicians or politicians families have stock in firearms companies or at least their parent companies.