Texas AG sues CTD for gouging

[WillametteWill]

Here's my issue with commodity laws.

So through mandating prices and controlling natural capitalism's approach to supply and demand, the public's needs are now greater than the individuals. In the case of something like bottled water or gasoline. The owner of that property, yes it is that person's private property, doesn't get to have his private property rights. They get pushed aside because others needs are greater?

Here is my catch. This now blurs the defining institution of private property. This logic now opens the doors to eliminate private property rights.

Your right to own anything can now be superseded by the needs of the many. Essentially voiding the 5th amendment.

Here is a stretch of a comparison, but I'll use it to demonstrate this part of logic. Kill the 5th and the 2nd in one sweep of public outcry.

The demand of the greater good of the many says that people should not own guns.

It's a stretch, but if we are removing individual rights for the rights of a community to control an entities ability to charge what it wants for its private property, then what's to say we can't remove someone's rights to have private property entirely when the communities need dictate?

Sadly, your example is no longer a stretch...it is how many people now think.

You mean like eminent domain?

There have been huge abuses with eminent domain. This is a great example about how something "seemed" best for the greater good and has ended up paving over people's homes for shopping malls.

 

[Member 34319]

Sadly, your example is no longer a stretch...it is how many people now think.


There have been huge abuses with eminent domain. This is a great example about how something "seemed" best for the greater good and has ended up paving over people's homes for shopping malls.

Thankfully our courts still somewhat function through precedence.

However the more precedence we set in motion to allow things types of things, the worse it will become for individual rights and freedoms.

 

[Tony617]

You realize that probably the American colonists probably drank some sort beer, wine, etc.

http://che.umbc.edu/londontown/cookbook/drinks.html

 

[CamoDeafie]

The "greater good" has always been a way to destroying individual rights and peoples.

It was for the greater good that....
-millions of Jews died
-millions of natives everywhere got exterminated
-the destruction of economies happened
-the near extinction of many species
-the growth of government
-the losses of individual rights

 

[asiparks]

curious to know more details- does CTD use it's bulk buying power to choke off the supply of ammo reaching smaller mom & pop stores in Texas?

 

[P7M13]

Your right to own anything can now be superseded by the needs of the many. Essentially voiding the 5th amendment.

Here is a stretch of a comparison, but I'll use it to demonstrate this part of logic. Kill the 5th and the 2nd in one sweep of public outcry.

Will never happen on the national level. Congress and politicians will exempt themselves, along with those above a certain wealth level. Revolution will erupt.

 

[Member 34319]

Will never happen on the national level. Congress and politicians will exempt themselves, along with those above a certain wealth level. Revolution will erupt.

Sounds like true socialism! In our lifetimes we have actually watched this take place.

 

[HB of CJ]

Capitalism. Supply and perceived or actual demand. CTD can offer what they want. Nobody has to purchase. What bugs me is the Texas AG is going after CTD for gouging. How is such a legal action possible? The answer may "lie" in the fact that the Texas AG wants to sue and is doing so. No skin off this personal back.

My opinion only.

 

[Oleman]

CTD must think they are selling dirt heavily laced with gold.

 

[MaxwellEdison]

Can't argue with you there. But, I'll bet the AG has aspirations for a higher office.

Well, Paxton will first have to fight his federal indictment for securities fraud before seeking another office.

Paxton is an attention-whore. His election lawsuit was nothing more than a publicity stunt, and I suspect this CTD lawsuit is the same thing. Paxton is a rat. In fact, his securities fraud indictment is only one of this legal problems. He is also being investigated for "abuse of office, bribery and other potential criminal offenses." And it wasn't his political rivals who went after him. It was members of his own staff in the Texas AG's office, who were horrified at what they saw him doing. Paxton is a typical, old-school crooked politician.

As for the CTD lawsuit, a few other points:

1. It ain't the role of government to tell someone what they can and can't charge for their own personal property. Moreover, capitalist economics would actually prescribe raising prices dramatically in a period of high demand/low supply. Doing so gets the market price back to equilibrium quicker. But knowing this requires a 10th grade education in economics. Which many Americans don't have.

2. If you ever feel like a company "owes" you a particular current price based on yesterday's price, you suffer from what is known as "entitlement mentality". CTD does not "owe" anyone cheap ammo. As another poster said, if they want to charge $4 billion for a box of ammo, that is their prerogative. Nobody will force you to shop there. The free market takes care of all this: if they're charging too much, they get to sit on their inventory (which itself is costly). If their products are selling at high prices, then by simple logical implication they aren't charging too much. It really is that simple.

3. Every gun owner should have a certain amount of ammo tucked away as "emergency use only" ammo. (And they need to be disciplined enough to not use it except for a bona fide emergency.) For me that amount is a minimum of 250/rounds per firearm. If you are scrambling to find ammo now because you have nothing to shoot, then you have failed as a responsible gun owner. It ain't up to the government to bail you out because you weren't smart enough to plan ahead. If you don't have ammo to shoot now, well...hopefully you'll learn and not repeat that same mistake again. Ignorance has consequences. Who could have imagined??

(And I'll say the same thing about "stimulus checks". America already has debt totaling almost $30,000,000,000,000. The last thing we need is the government sending more "free money" to everyone. 'Cause that money isn't free. It just means that your kids will learn to love a 50% federal income tax rate and reduced entitlement programs. Because that will happen...the only question is "when".)

 

[awshoot]

The most (supposed) American state sues a company for doing something American, irony.

The governor declared Ammo a necessity and TX has a law against gouging necessities. I'm not bothered.

 

[MaxwellEdison]

The governor declared Ammo a necessity and TX has a law against gouging necessities. I'm not bothered.

Would it bother you if I told you that what the governor is doing here - if successful - actually worsens the problem and prolongs the ammo shortage?

That's the part a lot of people don't understand. The below video explains this. It's worth 5 minutes of your time:

Is Price Gouging Bad?

 

[Member 52301]

Thanks for the information about the AG in Texas.

IF ammunition is considered an essential item in Texas and elsewhere... how much of IT is considered ESSENTIAL? A box of 20, a box of 50 or what now when it comes to the amount of ROUNDS total? And what caliber (Or calibers.) is considered ESSENTIAL?

How many CALIBERS in RF and CF (Or in shotgun shell gauges.) and ROUNDS per household are considered ESSENTIAL?!

Is it because some people were buying cases and cases of ammunition in various calibers and THEY felt cheated? Sorry about the felt or feelings words here. LOL

It is not like POTABLE WATER if some wells went bad or a city/county supply is DOWN due to a weather or manmade emergency.

I do NOT consider it like potable WATER but I DO consider ammo an essential item even if you are limited in what you can buy in an emergency.

I do not think that ANY local store or online store that sells AMMO and/or GUNS should be shut down and for that matter - I do NOT and NEVER DID believe that ANY STORE or BUSINESS SHOULD BE SHUT DOWN DUE to this 'virus' or for any other WEATHER or MANMADE EMERGENCY - situation.

You make do with what ammo you ALREADY HAVE ON HAND or YOU BUY a couple of boxes as a NEWBIE (At any age or for any reason that you are a Newbie.) for your self defense handgun, rifle or shotgun.

YOU could LOOK and BUY ammunition, be on the hunt for these products at LOCAL small and large GUN STORES and NOT only buy ONLINE too!

YOU could look at TEXAS NEWSPAPERS for ammo for sale from LOCAL sellers too! Garage sales, estate sales, from people who NEED TO SELL their ammo due to financial reasons - loss of a job, people MOVING AWAY and they do not want to MOVE a LOT of their STUFF, people who have a disability and are only shooting one or two guns and SELLING everything else, people who are downsizing due to retirement, etc.

TEXAS has GUN SHOWS - I am pretty sure that they were not shut down due to this virus as they have been shut down in many counties and states!

NO one was FORCED TO BUY FROM CTD!

Why did those people buy from CTD?

Most people know about what they did in the past to their customers.

And if they did not know... when they saw one price advertised and went down to the CHECK OUT FINAL PRICE and saw a much HIGHER PRICE... they had a CHOICE TO MAKE... BUY it at a crazy high price or NOT BUY IT and NOT COMPLETE the sale.

And IF they did complete a sale at a LOWER PRICE and they were charged a crazy high price which was NOT in their ORIGINAL ORDER - they NEED TO GET A CHARGE CREDIT on their cards IF they received the product!

AND if it is still on ORDER or back ordered or out of stock... those customers need to CANCEL THEIR ORDERS if they feel that they will get charged more in a bait/switch deal when and IF their ammo ever comes in and BEFORE IT IS SHIPPED OUT TO THEM FROM CTD.

I NEVER ordered from CTD. I will NEVER buy from them.

I buy or bought my RF ammunition LOCALLY from small and large gun stores. FFL men that I know... they GET my or our business. My husband buys from LOCAL places for his reloading stock too. WE do not need any item now. We planned ahead. Slow but sure on a regular basis.

I do REMEMBER reading about CTD issues on MANY, many forums and LOOKING at their website to SEE IF I WAS READING was TRUE or FALSE compared to what I read ALL over the WWWeb about them. IT was true on what they did in the past and most likely it is true now but those CONSUMERS had a choice to make. They could say, "NO - I will NOT buy from CTD!"

I know that a LOT of people shop online and I am NOT knocking those people who choose to shop online from ANY company for ANY of the products that they want to buy or need to buy.

NO one forced any person to buy from CTD!

And if ammo is an ESSENTIAL ITEM for a basic self defense firearm for a single person or a family protection TOOL... the person could have FOUND what they needed and SET IT ASIDE for that purpose ahead of time or gone looking ELSEWHERE.

If you don't like to deal with a person or a company aka PAY HIGH prices in ANY item in your life... do NOT buy from them.

And if CTD did a bait/switch and LIED while shipping an ORDER OUT TO A CUSTOMER and charged their card MORE than the FINAL AGREED UPON PRICE - that does have to be settled fairly with the CUSTOMER'S card company and CTD.

THE FINAL AGREED UPON PRICE (High, medium or low.) between a consumer/customer and ANY company for ANY product has to be HONEST and honored.

If I was a Newbie at ANY age and NEEDED a box or two of ammunition for my FIRST self defense firearm... I would be sure that I had the ammo first or could get it while I made my GUN PURCHASE at my FFL man's shop.

And if I was an OLDIE and needed some ammo... I would do the same thing.

I would HUNT for it at a small or large store or do all of the above things that I stated above.

IT helps to have a good LOCAL FFL MAN or a couple of them in MY opinion.

Cate

 

[Member 52301]

PS: I want to add this.

I or we have bought ammunition from Walmart too. Mainly in a specific type of RF ammo and in some 30-30 Win (Remington and Federal if you can FIND it. LOL) even though my MT husband reloads for ALL of his CF firearms.

The last time that my husband bought some RF (22lr) ammo from Walmart, it was @ a HIGHER price compared to previous times in history.

I am NOT talking about the crazy times after the CT murders that went on for YEARS ON END now.

That ammo that he found was not in the EXACT thing (Brand, grain or type.) that he wanted. It was something that we had shot before and it was fine - shot well even though he liked and was looking for another type of HP ammo.

But he bought some, once he finally FOUND some, to replace what he had Not Replaced for some time, a long time, in 22lr.

We planned ahead. We had stock on hand. We were lucky to find some ammunition that he LIKED even though he would have liked something else which has NOT been around here for some time. He finally decided to replace some 22lr ammo when he found it.

He and I do NOT plan on filing something against Walmart or some other LOCAL stores due to their HIGHER prices in 22lr IF you can even FIND some 22lr to begin with. We do NOT buy or even LIKE some 'higher priced' ammunition from Ely or Norma and we do NOT think it is any better to PAY the HIGHER PRICE than specific LOWER priced ammo in Federal, CCI, some types of Winchester and some types of Remington.

OUR top brand was always in Federal and CCI for RF ammo.

My husband could have chosen NOT to buy that HIGHER PRICED 22lr ammo @ Walmart and in 2 other stores but he finally decided to REPLACE what we had shot up even though we have stock on hand.

He actually was looking at STUFF all of this time too. He put forth the effort to look and see what was going on. He and I have always PAID attention to this stuff. WE discussed finally replacing some 22lr BEFORE he finally bought some when he finally found some.

I paid attention to all of this when I was a Newbie in the late 90's when my late husband was alive too.

Old Lady Cate
Added more and typos.

 

[Sniperwannabee]

It's because ammo in Texas is considered an essential commodity



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