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I bet the deer did it so you would have to spend your time cleaning instead of shooting them.
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Only a matter of time. It's a new sign recently put up because of the new 4x4 trails starting right there.<broken link removed>
I call BS on this photo Bill, definitely photoshopped because the sign has no holes in it....
It sure makes me mad as HeII when I see the crap people leave!!!
Only a matter of time. It's a new sign recently put up because of the new 4x4 trails starting right there.
Wasn't a good place to shoot anyway.
Wow! It shows a much larger involvement on behalf of the Sheriff's department. We need more of that. Sounds like they are very aggressive in their efforts. I love the signage ideas!Not sure it helps, but After the Great Big fire and flooding we had here in Colorado Springs, The County opened up a new Shooting spot right off the highway. They were very specific when making signage for that area explaining what is and is not legal as well as the general rules and the consequences of not following those rules! To date, the Sheriff's dept has arrested 19 shooters and taken their guns, and several more folks were ticketed and made to attend a county run "Shooters Safety Course" at their own expense! The key is having a regular presence in these areas and a number to call when people see stupid! We stopped in there a few times on the way back home up the mountain, and saw a few stupids doing stupid and called that number, five min later a deputy showed up and ticketed them! One other thing, all along the main highways and secondary roads are big signs saying "NO Shooting, Big fine, Jail time" and a smaller sign listing the legal places to shoot near by! Also has a Web sight and a number you can call for shooting info and safety classes!!! We are a pretty big pro gun state with Open carry ans easy permit CC and every one IS armed, so we had to figure out ways to fix the shooting problems before they got way out of hand! I would thing this would be a great example for you guys up there in the PNW. Signs cost money, but less then an Officer or deputy patrol or a private owner time and trouble and it seems to have really cut down on the damages and vandalisation we used to have!
I'm still working on DNR to give it some serious consideration, but, no interest so far. Our local DNR folks cannot make any of those decisions. Olympia DNR held meetings this past spring/summer and that idea was thrown out there. They said they would give our ideas further thought after the fire season, however, we haven't heard one thing.From what I read weve had sucess with building an approved shooting site at Wolf Creek, maybe thats what the Vancouver crowd needs up there around Larch...?
That is true! More people see the message at the larger outlets. I've distributed 1000 target shooting brochures around Clark County and the biggest movers of that brochure have been Sportsman's Warehouse and all 3 Bi-Mart stores. A close 2nd are the small convience stores closest to the Forest access points.The few times in the past I've encountered people who were doing dangerous or stupid bubblegum, they didn't take kindly to any polite intervention. That said, many of the times I've found a mess left at an outdoor shooting spot, both here in my very limited time & over the years back east, I'll usually find empty shopping bags near by from one of the large sporting goods retailers or big box stores like Cabelas, Walmart, etc. I've always figured that these guys are likely fairly casual shooters who swing by one of these places to get ammo, clays, etc on their way out to the woods. I'm not suggesting that everyone who buys stuff at these places is like that, heck, I shop those places too. But, those are the places you're going to get more eyeballs & potentially reach more people for a chance to change this kinda stuff. How you get those big companies to work with you & participate in some effort to educate their customers, who may not be aware of safe & legal practices and open to it, I suppose is the challenge. I really don't know......
Here is my suggestion on the count of some people just don't know. With the sale of new firearms they include a users manual some do have some safety tips like keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction and such.
Maybe gun shops could carry a flyer for each gun sold as well as ammo on this flyer could have some common info on shooting in the woods stressing a good back stop and not shooting trees ect. This flyer could also point out designated shooting areas and I know that upsets some people with their secret shooting spot. I know I was kind of bummed when I saw mine posted online but its not my land and I don't own it and if it furthers the cause so be it.
We need more places to shoot with the growing numbers of shooters as well as a set of rules that all shooters should go by. I have yet to meet a jerk at any of the places I shoot. Usually I end up meeting guys who have giving me tannerlite to shoot and let me shoot their hand cannons.
But the flyer could stress the importance of clean up to preserve out shooting places. And not to destroy the property that we share.
There should also be for more information links on the bottom of the page such as a link here to a page on gun safety and educate and other forums and phone numbers to call if someone see someone making a mess.
It is a dangerous thing to tell some people they are doing wrong if they are a jerk so caution should always be used.
This flyer should be available here as well as other places as a pdf to print that any one could take along and hand out. Maybe they know someone who just got a gun or has had one .
What would be cool is if there was a way to put together a new shooter clinic like a hunters safety class where new shooters could get some safety instruction and ask questions and find resources for more advanced training. But lets face it many new gun owners own guns because obummer said he was going to ban them now that they have them they may want to shoot them .
I myself would be happy to teach something like this because I like to know others are safe with guns.
That is true! More people see the message at the larger outlets. I've distributed 1000 target shooting brochures around Clark County and the biggest movers of that brochure have been Sportsman's Warehouse and all 3 Bi-Mart stores. A close 2nd are the small convience stores closest to the Forest access points.
Too bad I'm all out of brochures now, but there are still a few in most of the stores! Perhaps I can do it again soon. Consistency and Top Of Mind awareness is key!
Bill
Exactly how Tillamook State Forest officials presented the idea to ODF... Primary reason was in the name of Fire Prevention. The super heated fragments of steel jacket and copper bullets are more prone to be hotter fragments than lead. When they land in the dry tinder grass, they can smolder for quite some time before ignition. Here, it's dirt. No dry grass. Still, fire safety gear is a must in the fire season.When you meet with the Officials in Both states to raise concerns, do what was done down here, use the fire risks to strengthen your positions! Shooting stuff increases the risks of starting a serious fire, and so use that to help get the word through thick skulls! We had a bit of a fight initially here, but once the Sheriff's offices got involved, minds were changed for the good of all! The best part is the community co sponsored the signage with C.D.O.T. installing and maintaining the signs, the counties paying a part of that and the public through donations both private and business that benefit sales from shooting! It's a win win for all involved! The signage points out the designated shooting site's, and business increase sales close to those sights, they are working on a clean up kit for sale cheap, and will accept garbage if returned to the P.O.S. at no charge! They are also working on on sight garbage collection, but it's a battle to get any one to commit especially as the costs are pretty steep. I did hear a few guys with dump trucks volunteer to pick up the trash containers, but no one would except the garbage at even a reduced rate! So not every one is on board with helping the community, but I think a shame campaign might change that!