Strap mounted "recoil" Pad........Can the ATF Regulate non gun mounted accessories?

[Member 53328]

Mehhh.... One of my best friends is a Marine. He says taste isn't everything. Blue makes cooler designs when you poop!

What happens at Ellis, stays at Ellis(??)

Oh I've sh!t the rainbow. I got a lot of PRIDE in that. Hahaha

 

[doobee8]

Don't ask AFT a thing!

 

[Ckgworks]

Lots of good ideas-noted! The idea was to make it wide enough so a standard rifle stock would fit into slot so it truly was a recoil pad....we'll keep playing with it and see how far we actually push it. Originally I was thinking a thick recoil pad with a hole in it, but the hole needs to be high on it, almost above the shoulder. I do like the idea of a tactical breath mint pouch, built in. Maybe a small mollie pouch, with a tactical can opener glued to the face.....that would give you some options for length of pull.......lots of creative ideas could still come up!

 

[Howard1955]

Lots of good ideas-noted! The idea was to make it wide enough so a standard rifle stock would fit into slot so it truly was a recoil pad....we'll keep playing with it and see how far we actually push it. Originally I was thinking a thick recoil pad with a hole in it, but the hole needs to be high on it, almost above the shoulder. I do like the idea of a tactical breath mint pouch, built in. Maybe a small mollie pouch, with a tactical can opener glued to the face.....that would give you some options for length of pull.......lots of creative ideas could still come up!

Please, please make some part of it go up.

 

[Member 53328]

I have never been a fan of pistol "braces" or other so called "loop holes" but with more restrictions come some good and out of the box ideas. I'm looking forward to see what people think up to continue to enjoy their freedoms without a tax stamp.

I'm actually tinkering around with some ideas as well. Not that I will use them but if I could partner with someone and make some money while assisting people to route around the tax stamp I would be game.

 

[joken]

You think it's genius, AFT thinks it's a threat their kings power...

With the correct spring in the PVC, it might become a bump stock too.

 

[NobullSKS]

See … industry always finds a way

 

[Member 53328]

See … industry always finds a way

It's a cat and mouse game.

 

[Nosferatu]

This is the same agency that tried to outlaw a piece of string, so I wouldn't assume anything is out of reach for them.

 

[red442joe]

The new rule now says "equipped" vs "attached". Again vague language purposely used by ATF a-holes so they can prosecute anyone they want.
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Parkers 1st Rule of Law Enforcement: Make everything illegal so they can jam you up on something.

Joe

 

[Boboclown]

Clever. Hope you get to the patent office first because now that the picture is out there, SB tactical is filing in 3,2,1...

Followed by: "This is the ATF, we just want to talk to your dog."

 

[hongkong2]

Don't ask AFT a thing!

 

[Ckgworks]

Second option, chest harness.......slots need some refining, and straps need cleaned up but it's ready to try. Pictures are mirror so it IS right handed.

 

[matts]

another loophole. Oh gawd. It will be the Oregon Strap ACT of 2024.

You guys are killing me...

 

[joken]

Second option, chest harness.......slots need some refining, and straps need cleaned up but it's ready to try. Pictures are mirror so it IS right handed.

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Velcro would work

 

[Hooyah DeepSea]

Going back to the first pictures . . . you'd still need to change out the buffer tube to a tube-only one. With the new 'rule', you can't have the adjustment slots / holes on the tube. That type of tube constitutes a potential to install a stock, making the gun an full-fledged SBR, and not eligible for the 2021R-08F benefit.

 

[kopcicle]

Do you have a dog ?

 

[arakboss]

Do you have a dog ?

I hope he doesn't

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Going back to the first pictures . . . you'd still need to change out the buffer tube to a tube-only one. With the new 'rule', you can't have the adjustment slots / holes on the tube. That type of tube constitutes a potential to install a stock, making the gun an full-fledged SBR, and not eligible for the 2021R-08F benefit.

Not according to the latest atf Training. The question was asked and they said makes no difference if it has adjustment slots. But that is one panelist. Can't trust any atf info to be accurate without question imo it conflicts way too much.

Also they stated at least 4 times in the training that they look at the gun "holistically". Ie all the parts and the gun etc. so I'm sure this would not pass atf muster based on that holistic bs. Whether the OSP patrolman that roles up on you does anything though is a different story, depends who it is I guess.

Looking at it holistically (hate that term for guns) imo there is no question atf woudld say there is sufficient surface area for shouldering when used with the strap on thing. The keys terms in the defintion are surface area and equipped. And they refuse to put a number on the amount of surface area on purpose, just so they can do this "we look at it holistically" subjective bs.

From atf standpoint I think if you had an AR with buffer tube only and this thing in close proximity that would be constructive possession of an sbr based on everything they said at the training. These guys are focused on constructive possesion. Local/state LEOs may or may not be I dunno.

 

[bradsteen]

Second option, chest harness.......slots need some refining, and straps need cleaned up but it's ready to try. Pictures are mirror so it IS right handed.

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Some more feedback:

• I would recommend making the notch no more than 1" in depth - the bulk of the current prototype would likely be a turn-off for most buyers... except maybe the ones who are really into Mad Max.
• You'll probably want to make the bottom strap adjustable horizontally to accomodate different body types that might put the notch in the wrong place.
• Consider adding a rubber pad inside the notch for recoil mitigation and improved comfort.
• Consider using a single standard notch module that can be moved from an independent shoulder harness to a backpack shoulder strap.
• Consider adding a straight tab to the bottom section that can fit molle webbing - this combined with a standard strap buckle on the upper section would enable you to mount it to a plate carrier or load-bearing vest.