Salem Tea Party

[Trlsmn]

I understand that Trismn.
But somebody here needs to point out his delusions :nuts: and lies to the general reader.

How am I doin'?

"You had me at Buggy is delusional"

 

[Jamie6.5]

Guess what George Bush is not in control of this country so it doesn't matter if George Bush is Jesus Christ or Satan himself as he has no power and cannot change anything at this point.

Excellent point as usual,...
But that doesn't "feed the need" to perpetuate their BDS. <-- Bush Derangement Syndrome!

 

[Trlsmn]

Excellent point as usual,...
But that doesn't "feed the need" to perpetuate their BDS. <-- Bush Derangement Syndrome!

Well it goes back to something I often like to say:

"Leaders lead, losers blame"

Obamabots do a lot of blaming.

 

[nextbest]

"Don't Tread On Me":
Look at the health scam that was passed. 65&#37;+/- a few do NOT approve. This is elected officials running their own course. That's what we're standing up against. Our elected officials not doing what their constituents want. That my friend (whether your a lib, conservative, democrat or repub) is the reason I stand up for my country.

This argument about the health care debate never sat right with me. It is a well known fact that the distribution of wealth is skewed, a small percent of the population control a large portion of the wealth. The health care bill was designed is to help the less fortunate(much greater portion) of the nation, to me this is democracy in action, we elected Obama, we wanted this bill to pass. I can see why some people are unhappy about it, but claiming that is not representative of what the (majority of the)people want is wrong. Why would the they be against something that clearly benefits them?

 

[Sodbuster]

This argument about the health care debate never sat right with me. It is a well known fact that the distribution of wealth is skewed, a small percent of the population control a large portion of the wealth. The health care bill was designed is to help the less fortunate(much greater portion) of the nation, to me this is democracy in action, we elected Obama, we wanted this bill to pass. I can see why some people are unhappy about it, but claiming that is not representative of what the (majority of the)people want is wrong. Why would the they be against something that clearly benefits them?

The real question is not about health care. It is about rights. What gives you the right to determine you can take MY money that I earned justly and use it to enrich yourself?

The beauty of America is that you could decide to do for yourself what needs to be done. You earn the money and you keep the money.

Further, if health care is a "right", why do we have to wait for 4 years for it to be enacted? A right is something that has been given to us by our creator -- read "natural right". It is something that government can neither give nor take away.

So, if health care is a right, where is it written? Constitution? No. Declaration? No. Bill of Rights? No. All of those documents were written to limit the size and scope of government. To prevent government from taking away my right to property without due process.

Just as using eminent domain to take someone's real estate property and give it to someone else because they can pay more in taxes is wrong, so is this so called health bill. You take from those who earn and give it to someone else, thereby enriching them.

Say, while you are at it, why don't you do the same for car insurance? I have a vehicle that could use a little work on it as well. No reason that the car insurance should not pay for a wreak that wasn't covered, right? After all, that is one of the arguments given for the health care bill. States can order you to have insurance for a car, so the feds can order you to have health insurance (even though they are apples and oranges -- never mind the amendments that disallow such actions).

Long and short, saying you have the right to take my money (and it is my money) to pay someone else so they don't lose their house is wrong. No matter how noble the goal. I donate to charity of my own free will to help those in need. But I don't impoverish myself or family for the demands of the many either.

Good for the many? Then why isn't every condition covered under Medicare now if that is the model? Or why did I have to fight the VA to get care for my father before he passed? I'll tell you why. They are a governmental agency and don't understand what is allowed except what was written on a piece of paper. THAT is what Obamacare is all about.

Sodbuster

PS -- read what the founders said about the population voting themselves wealth from another's pocket.

 

[wheretheheckami]

This argument about the health care debate never sat right with me. It is a well known fact that the distribution of wealth is skewed, a small percent of the population control a large portion of the wealth. The health care bill was designed is to help the less fortunate(much greater portion) of the nation, to me this is democracy in action, we elected Obama, we wanted this bill to pass. I can see why some people are unhappy about it, but claiming that is not representative of what the (majority of the)people want is wrong. Why would the they be against something that clearly benefits them?

The distribution of wealth is skewed because in a free society people have equal opportunity. Because of their intellect, experience, ambitions and motivations they will necessarily have different stations in life. It sounds like you are arguing for equal results, in which case there would not be equal opportunity....everyone would have to be treated differently to achieve similar results. This would be the end of a free society. Exactly what socialism does.
No, "We" did not want this bill to pass. What we wanted was to find ways to deal with rising costs. Which this bill will do the opposite. One poll showed 68% of the people wanted this thing thrown out and wanted a fresh start.
This bill was shoved through against the will of the majority! Don't believe that? You'll see in November.
This bill doesn't benefit the vast majority of people.

 

[Sodbuster]

I would also add to Wheretheheck's response that only in America can you see the progression and have the opportunity that has fueled so much of the growth.

Two companies that did not exist in 1975 (at least not in a meaningful way). Microsoft and Apple. One started by a college dropout and the other started by 2 guys in a garage.

Is it easy? Not a chance. Did a great many companies fail when competing against these 2 giants? Yes. Even when they were much, much smaller they were formidable. How so? They wanted the "victory" more. But for a bit of corporate arrogance, you would have had CP/M or something very as your PC's OS instead of Microsoft.

Watching the juggernaught that has become the US software industry is an amazing thing. What is more amazing is watching it all go away. But that is another thread.

You used to have the ability to open a business and make it work. Now, there are so many regulations that have to be met, it's impossible in many businesses to start unless you have huge cash behind you. It's still possible but it ain't easy.

I don't need equal outcomes. What I want is an equal chance. (without government assistance, bailout, or harassment).

 

[Member 5605]

This argument about the health care debate never sat right with me. ....................

I'm not turning this into spin about the HC system.
Nope.

It's about people wanting their country back. I apologize for using that as an example. I assumed that it wouldn't cause a spinoff.

 

[LogicBomb]

obama, bush, lib, con....whats the freekin diff?...warrentlass wiretaps.....wars (1started 1 continues). Repus spend like drunken sailors, the Dems spend like drunken sailors.....meet the new boss same as the old boss...

 

[Trlsmn]

obama, bush, lib, con....whats the freekin diff?...warrentlass wiretaps.....wars (1started 1 continues). Repus spend like drunken sailors, the Dems spend like drunken sailors.....meet the new boss same as the old boss...

There is someone who gets it!

The correct answer on who better serves us? None of the above!

People are letting themselves be divided into Left vs Right when it should be People vs Left and Right.

 

[LogicBomb]

heres a question, when is the last time YOU (lib or con) went to the polls and voted for a mainstream canadate that YOU actually liked?...we dont get to pick who we vote for, the corprate media picks our canadates for us...and who owns the media?

 

[Partsproduction]

I attend Tea Parties because I feel my voice isn't being heard, I'm not being represented. 90% of what is being done wrong in this country is being done by liberals.
When I wrote Oregon democrat congress people they wrote back saying I was wrong, ignoring what I said about the polls showing that we the people don't want their health care deception. They get paid from my labors!

If the Tea Party splits the vote and gets these liars more time to destroy my country then it's a bad phenomenon, if it teaches Republicans to be conservative and power comes to the people then I'm all for it.

One huge potentially great outcome is that people are becoming aware of the FED, we are becoming aware that it is a big part of the problem and is an unconstitutional power over us.
You liberals, this one time I'll ask your opinion. Do you believe the fed should be in power? Maybe we can find common ground on that one point.

 

[bugeye]

I hope you guys see what Bugeye is doing. He is taking the topic of the original post and diverting it and making you guys spend your time defending your politics and while ignoring the original topic which he wants to divert attention from.

Don't fall for it just brush past his posts and go back to the original topic. Trying to change his mind or show him logic is futile.

Original topic:

"What happened at the Tea party"

Bugeye divert topic:

Bush bad, Bush bad, Bush bad.................................


Guess what George Bush is not in control of this country so it doesn't matter if George Bush is Jesus Christ or Satan himself as he has no power and cannot change anything at this point.

Wow, talk about changing the subject!
Hypocrisy, thou knowest no limits.

I had good reason in the flow to discuss Bush and I didn't introduce him as a subject.

You appear to be a moderator for the tiny bit of liberal talk in here while being not only fully open, but contributing a flow to the rightie group think.

 

[bugeye]

I'm no longer allowed to discuss anything on this tread.
But rest assured I would put up more than a good fight, and most of you would learn something from it.

One on gun point though to my good friend Jamie6.5

Yes, they did overturn the handgun ban in DC. Don't you see how small that decision is compared to the one I spoke of. Think about it, small urban area handgun ban vs. the whole country with corporations now free to spend whatever they want to directly influence the election of candidates? This is like the favorable flea vs. the impending astroid collision.

 

[zeezee]

If the shoe fits: "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands of which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."

Samuel Adams, 1776

I could not have said it better unless you consider the Oath of the Right wing extremest, seen below, to be more radical?

I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation under GOD, indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for ALL.

This is the first pledge I took, one I consider just as powerful as any other.

 

[Gunner3456]

This argument about the health care debate never sat right with me. It is a well known fact that the distribution of wealth is skewed, a small percent of the population control a large portion of the wealth. The health care bill was designed is to help the less fortunate(much greater portion) of the nation, to me this is democracy in action, we elected Obama, we wanted this bill to pass. I can see why some people are unhappy about it, but claiming that is not representative of what the (majority of the)people want is wrong. Why would the they be against something that clearly benefits them?

"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine." - Thomas Jefferson

We are not and never have been a democracy. We are republic of states. Tiny Montana with a population of less than 1 million has the same number of US senators - 2 - that California with more than 30 million people has.

We are a nation of laws, not a democracy. The first set of laws, only 18 pages long, is our constitution. The majority may not rule. Our laws rule. If what the majority approves is ruled unconstitutional, it falls.

I believe that if the majority ruled they would take away our guns, but they have been so far blocked by our constitution. The majority of the people in this country live on a very small percentage of the land mass, in cities. Even in Oregon this is true.

Be careful what you wish for.

 

[zeezee]

This argument about the health care debate never sat right with me. It is a well known fact that the distribution of wealth is skewed, a small percent of the population control a large portion of the wealth. The health care bill was designed is to help the less fortunate(much greater portion) of the nation, to me this is democracy in action, we elected Obama, we wanted this bill to pass. I can see why some people are unhappy about it, but claiming that is not representative of what the (majority of the)people want is wrong. Why would the they be against something that clearly benefits them?

Yeah, some fools did vote for bho and some fools even wanted this health care crap to pass but if you looked at the polls you will find that MOST Americans did not want it to pass. And the health care crap isn't designed to help the less unfortunate, it is designed to force EVERYONE to buy the governments health care crap. Fool, you buy what the government is selling you or the shotgun toting IRS is going to take it from you, either by "taxing" or by garnishing your wages. And it is going to be less than you can buy today, costing you more, a whole heck of a lot more. So if you are one of bho's fools who voted for him, want to redistribute my WEALTH and are willing to lick the hands that feed, cloth & house you than get the heck away from me. Socialism is what you want and I nor any right thinking AMERICAN would want to drag America that far down.

If the shoe fits, you and all your liberal/socialist/communist buddies I'll quote to you this: "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands of which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."

Samuel Adams, 1776

 

[Gunner3456]

delete.

 

[zeezee]

There is someone who gets it!

The correct answer on who better serves us? None of the above!

People are letting themselves be divided into Left vs Right when it should be People vs Left and Right.

Good point.

 

[bugeye]

This argument about the health care debate never sat right with me. It is a well known fact that the distribution of wealth is skewed, a small percent of the population control a large portion of the wealth. The health care bill was designed is to help the less fortunate(much greater portion) of the nation, to me this is democracy in action, we elected Obama, we wanted this bill to pass. I can see why some people are unhappy about it, but claiming that is not representative of what the (majority of the)people want is wrong. Why would the they be against something that clearly benefits them?

I don't know the economic demographics of this group but my guess is many of the members will be helped by the Health Care reform laws. But they seem to be incapable of recognizing their own interests. This bill should have done a lot more to control costs but to do that one of the many sacred corporate cows would have to be sacrificed.