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"You had me at Buggy is delusional" :s0155:

You folks are like a new rock band, 90% attitude, 9% makeup, and 1% half assimilated guitar lessons that you still owe money for. Of course when you take the stage you act as if you invented the 12 bar shuffle.

Trismn, has being a bad loser, and a poor sport really worked out so well for the people around you?
 
I love how libtards LOVE to catagorize and pigeon-hole people. Just for the record, I'm not a racist, homophobe, Republican, Democrat, or any other pigeon-holed "demographic"... I'm a U.S. CITIZEN and I pretty much hate everyone equally, but I hate progressive/liberals (and what they stand for) more equally! :D :s0155:
 
You folks are like a new rock band, 90% attitude, 9% makeup, and 1% half assimilated guitar lessons that you still owe money for. Of course when you take the stage you act as if you invented the 12 bar shuffle.

Trismn, has being a bad loser, and a poor sport really worked out so well for the people around you?

Bugeye, this thread is about the Tea Party events. I can see you don't like the Tea Party, but it's about taking our government and our constitution and therefore our gun rights back, nationally. It's about getting back to our founding roots, where men fought and died for liberty.

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."
- Thomas Jefferson

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
- Thomas Jefferson

"I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive." - Thomas Jefferson

"Most bad government has grown out of too much government." - Thomas Jefferson

"I think myself that we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious." - Thomas Jefferson

"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have ... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases." - Thomas Jefferson

Personally I'm tired of you hijacking the thread, especially using it to attack a moderator regardless of your political beliefs. I consider Tr1smn and some other guys here friends.

Please knock it off and let those of us who want to preserve our "inalienable rights" work on trying to do that?

Thanks
 
For the first time in America's history there is a law that says you must buy something from a 3rd party as you pursue happiness in your life and liberty.
Does that sound like liberty to you? That you MUST pay the government and/or a 3rd party (ins co) a significant portion of your earnings or be subject to penalties? How much will you pay? Only 20% you say? That doesn't seem like much at first, until you realize that you will work one whole day out of your work week for the government or an insurance company,...
If that doesn't make you at least "indentured," or at worst a slave, then what is it? (And before you bring up car insurance, remember that driving is a privilege not a right.)
I don't want to give up my liberties even 5/10/15% at a time. If I give up my liberties incrementally I have still given them up!!

People that believe in the Constitution's validity in today's America don't like that. We further believe that the largest lobby in DC bought enough Senators and Representatives to pass this law that requires us to open our wallets and purses to Insurance companies.
So instead of more tax money to "bailout" banking and insurance conglomerates, they are forcing the citizens to "bailout" the insurance side of the conglomerate, or be penalized with fines and/or Jail time. Even those that rail against corporatism aren't recognizing this for what it is!!!

They did this under the guise of "helping the less privileged." Which even if true, equates to redistribution of wealth at a level that heretofore was never seen in the US.

The people in control of Washington DC, both dems AND pubs have overstepped their authority in this and other legislation/laws, recently. We at the TEA Party don't believe in portions of the "patriot act" any more than we do cap and trade.
Furthermore, they are poised to pass this anti "carbon" legislation that will further damage our manufacturing and transportation sectors economically and make it harder to compete and grow.

They are poised to pass amnesty legislation for upwards of 20-30 million people that reside in the US illegally.
They know that by doing this they may/should be able to maintain their stranglehold on the legislative process, by creating 10-20 million new voters that are grateful to them.

Why are these things so difficult for some people to understand?

Why does a significant portion of the American public insist on reducing the argument against these actions to the level of racism against America's first non-white president?

Why do the people who have protested against their dislikes for decades insist that those currently protesting are doing so for the wrong reasons or simply shouldn't have the right to do so?

Can't we have a discussion about the issues confronting us without the media's bias providing distraction and obfuscation?
Can't we have a discussion on this board without our more liberal members doing the same?

Now there are some here that will try to say that is not happening. To those I say try reading the "these are my people" thread in the off topic section of this board, watch the video at the link posted and then argue that point with a straight face.

Currently the left side of the political spectrum here in the US is engaged in arguments, just like this one, in an attempt to reduce said argument to it's most base level, and are often relying on name calling, ridicule and slurs against their fellow citizens to achieve their goal of silencing any opposition to their ideals. There are prime examples of that in this very thread!
Some have even advocated adversely impersonating protesters on my side of the argument for the purpose of portraying us as extremists.

For those that refuse to recognize these problems and the fact that the media is complicit in it, I say wake up and smell the coffee.

And if I want to protest against these and other issues please try to remember that your right to assemble and protest isn't any greater than mine, and that you do not have the right to brand me a bigot, or ignorant, or stupid, or greedy based on it.
It wasn't right when some people called anti-war protesters "coward" in the 60s, and it isn't right to call TEA Partiers "bigot" now.
There was a time in this country when the philosophy was "I may not like what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." What happened to that?

When did it become okay to demean someone with a differing opinion, based on that opinion alone?
 
Bugeye, this thread is about the Tea Party events. I can see you don't like the Tea Party, but it's about taking our government and our constitution and therefore our gun rights back, nationally. It's about getting back to our founding roots, where men fought and died for liberty....

Personally I'm tired of you hijacking the thread, especially using it to attack a moderator regardless of your political beliefs. I consider Tr1smn and some other guys here friends.

Please knock it off and let those of us who want to preserve our "inalienable rights" work on trying to do that?

Thanks


Your fake aversion over my hijacking of threads is a ploy being put forth by one of your fellow righties, and started right after I bested him when he demanded proof of what I said when the proof was already in the links posted with the statement. Rather than acknowledge that, like a real man, he started this attack. He is just another ten ton load of ego in an ancient datsun pickup of ability. Winning is not important, finding common reality is.


The tea party isa Republcan free market side show financed by billionares from the top down. They featured speakers yap non reality based emotional pablum, give out sound bites focused grouped from free market think tanks (well vetted lies), and are not called upon to refute the facts of a situation with anymore than a nasalized 'do you belieeeevvveee that?'. If more BS was the necessary force to unite the people we would already be the most united country in the history of the world. What is required to unite people is a common reality, and the tea party is working against this, and I think that is their real top down agenda.

Please knock it off, drop your delusion that your point of view is the only one worthy of truth, beauty, justice and the American way of life, it is arrogant beyond belief considering the lack of any facts and the prevalence of BS you folks always have to back up your absurdly strong opinions. If Jefferson were alive today he would be appalled by how little I know given the amazing resources at our disposal, but about you folks he would be upchucking.
 
Your fake aversion over my hijacking of threads is a ploy being put forth by one of your fellow righties, and started right after I bested him when he demanded proof of what I said when the proof was already in the links posted with the statement. Rather than acknowledge that, like a real man, he started this attack. He is just another ten ton load of ego in an ancient datsun pickup of ability. <snip>
As the pot calls the kettle black.

<Snip>What is required to unite people is a common reality, and the tea party is working against this, and I think that is their real top down agenda.
and the pot calls the kettle black yet again.
Please knock it off, drop your delusion that your point of view is the only one worthy of truth, beauty, justice and the American way of life, it is arrogant beyond belief considering the lack of any facts and the prevalence of BS you folks always have to back up your absurdly strong opinions.
Ah yes the voice of civil discourse, the pot speaks once more against the kettle, supposedly devoid of personal attacks.

If Jefferson were alive today he would be appalled by how little I know given the amazing resources at our disposal, but about you folks he would be upchucking.
Somehow I think he'd be more appalled by the zeal you display in your attempts to silence a dissenting view.
I am certain he would applaud the people in the US trying hardest to advocate for adhering to the principles set forth in the documents, like the Constitution, that he worked so hard to develop.
I see those people regularly organizing and attending TEA Parties.
 
Guys as I said earlier don't take Bugeye's bait. What he is doing is trying to silence and bury any discussion of the topic. His goal is not to have discussion but to stop a discussion anyway he can. He will do anything he can including getting so out of hand that the thread will have to be closed, that's what he wants.

There is an old saying from my usenet days that is 100&#37; true:

The way to get rid of a troll is to starve them, not to feed them!

Just ignore the guy like he hasn't even spoken. Pass right over his posts like they are blank because they are.

Don't worry about his attack on me. I'm a big boy with plenty of self esteem, words from the likes of him don't hurt me.

Just watch what happens when everyone ignores him. I predict he will get more and more out of control.

Back on topic "Salem Tea Party"
 
As the pot calls the kettle black.

Somehow I think he'd be more appalled by the zeal you display in your attempts to silence a dissenting view.

I am certain he would applaud the people in the US trying hardest to advocate for adhering to the principles set forth in the documents, like the Constitution, that he worked so hard to develop.
I see those people regularly organizing and attending TEA Parties.

What part of my voice being silenced don't you get?
Who else has ever been accused of hijacking threads in here?
And again, I didn't start this thread and I didn't comment in it until liberals were attacked
There are a lot of liberals in this group, I think they need to come out of their shells and take on the rightie greek chorus in here. Letting your fellow citizens think they make sense when they don't, is doing them a grave disservice.

Jefferson was a liberal. he was a free thinker, he was one of the most brilliant mind of his generation, and he was no fool.

There are two giants in America, one is the government, certainly worthy of distrust, and the other are the corporations, who are just as worthy of distrust (do you need a long list here?). The teaple express only distrust of the government, while being financed by the corporations, and providing a forum for the party that has sells out to the highest bidder all the time. By reducing the power of one of these giants you only help the other one. A reasonable modern Republic requires a balance between these two. If you think our founders would have been delighted to see our country become an aristocrisy of money, you are sadly mistaken.

OK, this is only my take on this issue, it comes from following the money, and looking at how one sided the message is. And yes, I know the tea party has a listed set of goals and that one is against bailouts, but they are allied with the party that wants to kill any regulation of financials, and without that we are just going to let the inmates who nearly burnt down the asylum be put back in charge, and act of insanity. Also, that the goals of this group are less important to its masters than the actually participation of the faithful. as they know you're Republican voters anyway.

Now I could be wrong, I am sometimes, bu, what is wrong with this point of view? And the counter point of view is that this is a movement of the people, and by the people and for the preservation of liberty and the constitution, despite the financing, and the Republican speakers and leadership. Don't you think that is a little too 'pie in the sky' for politics? The last groups of sure to be disapointed people in this country saw Obama as a savior (I didn't I'm a realist and student of politics), and before that the evangelicals that put Bush back into office in 2004 who expected to be repaid with an abortion ban.
 
"Aristocracy of money", that's funny. As opposed to mob rule in a "democracy".

Bugeye - the founding fathers were familiar with the concepts you are touting. They were also familiar with the principles of a free market being contemporary with Adam Smith.

Money lasts for so long and is always dispersed at one time or another. Government rules go on forever unless ruled unconstitutional.

No proof on what happens? You are kidding right? Socialism doesn't work, neither does socialized medicine. Yes it will for a time but there does come a day of reckoning when it falls down. Examples? Look at the soaring debt being piled up by the western governments of England, France, Spain and Greece.

Whereas, we have an excellent example of what occurs when a truly free market operates. There is economic growth and all, even the poor end up benefiting. Is it perfect, no. There are always tensions. But turning away from the populist desire to "fix it" all in a moment will provide clarity of thought and a process that can work to the best. Oh, and do you think the tea party's truly trust big corporations? Are you kidding? Of course we don't necessarily trust them. But what we do trust is the free-market principle. It does work when allowed to.

Your last post suffered again from your previous posts. Straw men and personal attacks. Perhaps you should refrain from posting on what you don't truly understand. The tea parties being an example.
 
Guys as I said earlier don't take Bugeye's bait. What he is doing is trying to silence and bury any discussion of the topic. His goal is not to have discussion but to stop a discussion anyway he can. He will do anything he can including getting so out of hand that the thread will have to be closed, that's what he wants.

There is an old saying from my usenet days that is 100% true:

The way to get rid of a troll is to starve them, not to feed them!

Just ignore the guy like he hasn't even spoken. Pass right over his posts like they are blank because they are.

Don't worry about his attack on me. I'm a big boy with plenty of self esteem, words from the likes of him don't hurt me.

Just watch what happens when everyone ignores him. I predict he will get more and more out of control.

Back on topic "Salem Tea Party"

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What part of my voice being silenced don't you get?
No one would try to silence your voice if you weren't spouting ridicule, sarcasm and belittlement of the people you disagree with.
Who else has ever been accused of hijacking threads in here?
Probably a few, but this has become your SOP bugeye. Any topic that deals with the TEA Party and it's local members you seem to feel is fodder for your attacks and distractions that are aimed at derailment.
Jefferson was a liberal.
That is one of the best examples of obfuscation you have displayed yet. He was only a "liberal" from the standpoint that conservatives of his day backed the English monarchy. As a founder of a new nation and political movement, only the classic definition of "liberal" applies. I have no doubt he would be poles apart from today's liberal that advocates redistribution of wealth, and laws that attempt to equalize not opportunity, but outcome, and misguided, restrictive gun laws that are put forth in the name of "the common good."

he was a free thinker, he was one of the most brilliant mind of his generation, and he was no fool. Unlike most of you folks, I can claim two of his attributes.
Well, since all you do is parrot the mainstream media on the topic of TEA Parties, you are failing to show any "free thinking" ability. So I must conclude that can't be one of the attributes you claim to share. So are we to believe the other two are? <cough-cough> Pardon me buggy, but your ego is showing.
 
"Aristocracy of money", that's funny. As opposed to mob rule in a "democracy".

Bugeye - the founding fathers were familiar with the concepts you are touting. They were also familiar with the principles of a free market being contemporary with Adam Smith.

Money lasts for so long and is always dispersed at one time or another. Government rules go on forever unless ruled unconstitutional.

No proof on what happens? You are kidding right? Socialism doesn't work, neither does socialized medicine. Yes it will for a time but there does come a day of reckoning when it falls down. Examples? Look at the soaring debt being piled up by the western governments of England, France, Spain and Greece.

Whereas, we have an excellent example of what occurs when a truly free market operates. There is economic growth and all, even the poor end up benefiting. Is it perfect, no. There are always tensions. But turning away from the populist desire to "fix it" all in a moment will provide clarity of thought and a process that can work to the best. Oh, and do you think the tea party's truly trust big corporations? Are you kidding? Of course we don't necessarily trust them. But what we do trust is the free-market principle. It does work when allowed to.

Your last post suffered again from your previous posts. Straw men and personal attacks. Perhaps you should refrain from posting on what you don't truly understand. The tea parties being an example.

When was the last time we had mob rule around here, heck when was the last time we actually agreed with each other enough to even be a mob?

Yeah money moves around, but them with it want to make sure it moves toward them, and they play the game to make that happen, that too is part of the free market is it not? The free market runs on systems controlled by negative feedback, but what if these systems are manipulated to cancel this feedback. This is what happened with the recent economic meltdown, and the government is still the only sheriff in town, and I have to ask the question, is this the best time to disarm them. And if so, who benefits the most from that.

We have lots of debt and we don't have socialized medicine. We do have a health care system so poorly made that it manages to cost twice as much per person (including the uncovered) as they spend in Europe. So what exactly is your point? That we should at all costs avoid a system that is far more efficient and humane in the interests of your fantasies? But don't bother to respond anyway because the new reform law is nothing like socialized medicine anyway.

When did this fairy tale example of the free market happen, I must have missed it? Last time I looked the lower 50% owned almost none of the wealth and the upper 5% had 90% of it.

As to the members, I never meant to say, and doubt that I did say, that they trusted big corporations, I was only speaking of the stated goals, and these goals are put together by the money and the free market org behind the party, so naturally there isn't a lot of anti corporate stuff there. If you want to dispute this go get the list and take these up one by one.
 
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