Salem capitol protests .......Productive.....

[1337BaldEagle]

Antifa Attacks Trucks While "Police" Watch.

I would keep clear. PSA

 

[mrblond]

Antifa 'armed' rioters descend on Oregon State Capitol in Salem

Police received reports of vehicles driving past the Capitol being struck with balloons filled with paint as well as green lasers being pointed at drivers.

www.foxnews.com

 

[nammac]

It's Antifa, and it's Oregon, so no harm, no foul. Blaming this violence on gun owners makes sense, seeing the Oregon legislature is voting this week to take away Civil Rights from conservatives, outlined in the Bill of Rights...

Called out conservatives as they seem to be the ones being targeted, not Antifa or BLM... I'll just leave it at that...

 

[jrd541280]

It's Antifa, and it's Oregon, so no harm, no foul. Blaming this violence on gun owners makes sense, seeing the Oregon legislature is voting this week to take away Civil Rights from conservatives, outlined in the Bill of Rights...

Called out conservatives as they seem to be the ones being targeted, not Antifa or BLM... I'll just leave it at that...

agreed, tik tok, joe? tik tok scotus? uh, we need some constitutional help here. and the last guy that took joes advice to blast off the balcony got arrested in vancouver, wa.
so, what is it joe?
taking my chances with the old guys that wrote the constitution. just me.

 

[STONER_63]

It's Antifa, and it's Oregon, so no harm, no foul. Blaming this violence on gun owners makes sense, seeing the Oregon legislature is voting this week to take away Civil Rights from conservatives, outlined in the Bill of Rights...

Called out conservatives as they seem to be the ones being targeted, not Antifa or BLM... I'll just leave it at that...

I am replying to your post, but this question is for the room at large: when did the PNW stop being the wild, Libertarian-ish frontier? Talking to my friends and neighbors here, it seems like the answer is 'the 90s.' Can any real natives or longtime residents shed some light on when (and how!) this happened? I am from back East myself, but I was drawn to this part of the country for its natural beauty and the sense that it wasn't totally lost down the black hole of Leftism. Guess I showed up late to the party!

I love this part of the country and I am proud to raise my kids here, but more and more often I am looking east of the Cascades whenever people bring up 'the future.'

 

[Stomper]

I am replying to your post, but this question is for the room at large: when did the PNW stop being the wild, Libertarian-ish frontier? Talking to my friends and neighbors here, it seems like the answer is 'the 90s.' Can any real natives or longtime residents shed some light on when (and how!) this happened? I am from back East myself, but I was drawn to this part of the country for its natural beauty and the sense that it wasn't totally lost down the black hole of Leftism. Guess I showed up late to the party!

I love this part of the country and I am proud to raise my kids here, but more and more often I am looking east of the Cascades whenever people bring up 'the future.'

This article from 1983 that I just dug up spells out quite a bit of the beginnings of the end...

Oregon does an about-face and welcomes outsiders

Last July, the road sign at the Oregon border with California that read ''Welcome to Oregon - We Hope You Enjoy Your Visit'' wa

www.csmonitor.com

And this from 2013...

Former Governor Tom McCall's Message to Visitors

www.eastoregonian.com

 

[STONER_63]

This article from 1983 that I just dug up spells out quite a bit of the beginnings of the end...

Oregon does an about-face and welcomes outsiders

Last July, the road sign at the Oregon border with California that read ''Welcome to Oregon - We Hope You Enjoy Your Visit'' wa

www.csmonitor.com

And this from 2013...

Former Governor Tom McCall's Message to Visitors

www.eastoregonian.com

Oh, man. Stuff like this reminds me of why economics is known as 'the dismal science.' Still, thanks for posting this stuff. I have lived all over the place, but I am new to this area and still trying to wrap my brain around it all.

 

[Stomper]

Oh, man. Stuff like this reminds me of why economics is known as 'the dismal science.' Still, thanks for posting this stuff. I have lived all over the place, but I am new to this area and still trying to wrap my brain around it all.

I was born in Oregon, and except for my time in the Army, I've lived here my entire life.

If I'm lucky and the government doesn't steal all the private pension funds out there I can retire in 8 more years, and I'll be taking my household and any income taxes on my pension out of this state after that!

 

[STONER_63]

I was born in Oregon, and except for my time in the Army, I've lived here my entire life.

If I'm lucky and the government doesn't steal all the private pension funds out there I can retire in 8 more years, and I'll be taking my household and any income taxes on my pension out of this state after that!

That makes sense to me. I am starting to think seriously about retirement myself, although it's still a ways off. Where would you go? I am thinking E. Washington, maybe Idaho. MT is beautiful, but the taxes ... are not!

 

[1337BaldEagle]

I will hopefully be gone this year. I should not feel like I need to have body armor in my truck on a regular basis.

Edit: I realize this statement had no context. I will be moving to FL. Literally as far as I can from Portland and still be in the USA.

 

[kenboy]

They weren't enough of a threat to shoot, wasn't enough to draw.
Shouldn't have got out or just stayed away and not taunted.

Piles of excrement like them should be handled in a different way, not when they are swarming like locusts.

easy to be a Monday morning quarterback. This guy is a friend of mine and was not part of any protest.

He is a proud American that flies flags on his truck every day and got caught in the wrong place at the Wrong time.He was driving through town and not even aware of what was going on.

He got out of his truck because they were pelting it with rocks and broke out a window. When they started pepper spraying him in the face he drew his weapon and never pointed it at anyone. I am not saying it was the right thing to do but I understand he was in fear for his life at that point.

I have told him for the last year that in this environment flying flags like that on his vehicle seem to be a Flashpoint for the left. I had warned him to stay away from Portland but now Salem is welcoming them here.

 

[1337BaldEagle]

And, I call Bovine Crap.

They weren't enough of a threat to shoot, wasn't enough to draw.

You can CLEARLY see when he gets a whiff of that bear mace.

At that point with a min of a 5v1 situation, I'm guna say there is plenty of force disparity.

We can argue back and forth all day and night about whether his pre actions were smart or not. For me it comes down to this "were any of his actions unlawful?" If "no" then he is justified.

If we follow your logic how far down are we going to go?

well he only got through the front door, he didn't get to the bedroom.

Yeah, it wasn't smart to stop the truck, and yeah, it wasn't smart to check the damage there.

But we are human and don't always act 100% in times of stress and hindsight is 20/20.

That's why we have laws and thresholds.

He crossed none of them. They did.



Kindly,


Eagle

 

[nwslopoke]

Another unfortunate case of pick your battles. Portland and Salem aren't worth a skinned knee for me. I've said before these local terrorist need an injunction applied to them like LA gang members. Certain attire, communication devices, tactics and gatherings could have them arrested just for being together in numbers. Liberal Los Angeles thought it was a wonderful idea.

 

[nwslopoke]

Right-wing, left-wing protesters clash during rally in Salem - YouTube

 

[Flopsweat]

Someone's gonna start shooting at some point. Justified or no, there will be more Kyles if the water keeps boiling

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what the ones pulling the strings are trying to provoke.

 

[nwslopoke]

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what the ones pulling the strings are trying to provoke.

I would like to know what Salem police knew at the time. They didn't seem to know about the gun in the bed of the truck. With the actions happening in real time at that location, why assume the old man was the problem. Unless the police were witnessing the actions, but not involving themselves like in Portland.

 

[arakboss]

Can somebody clue me in to what was going on at the capitol today. Who was there (besides antifa)? Was there a rally/protest occurring? If so who organized it first? The articles I have read indicated there were protesters and opposing protesters. I am trying to figure out who originated the protest and who were those opposing it?

Nevermind: Katu has updated their story to include this info:

"Sunday's events were planned in February. They say the first event to make rounds on social media was the "Freedom Rally" but soon after that event was created, an opposing event called "Fascist Free 503" was created. Both groups planned to meet at the Capitol."

 

[arakboss]

My suggestion is if you are going to knowingly attend a rally like this, take a beater car or rent a truck and buy the extra insurance from the rental company.

 

[NW Backpacker]

They weren't enough of a threat to shoot, wasn't enough to draw.
Shouldn't have got out or just stayed away and not taunted.

Piles of excrement like them should be handled in a different way, not when they are swarming like locusts.

Piles of excrement is a good description of them.

Note to self: If you see a bunch of leftist nutbag extremists ahead in the street, and you don't want to be attacked, then turn left or right, OR do a U-turn even if you are on a one-way street.

Having said that (with 2020 hindsight), he was 100% justified in drawing. By doing so, they backed off - his gun likely prevented more harm. Only in a left-tard world would he not be considered justified. I know, Oregon is left-tard - it is not the gun owner who acted unjustly - it is our left-tard laws that are unjust. Hopefully he will get off with no charges. The fascists in black (antifa thugz) in the video should be prosecuted for their violent acts toward his truck and toward him. If the Salem Police did not arrest/charge some of those protestors then they need some corrective action as well.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

If....such mighty implications in such a short word.

If the protesters did not :
Shoot paint on his truck...
Brake his truck window...
Spray him with some sort of pepper spay / mace / bear repellent...
Converge on his truck / him with weapons...
Then maybe he wouldn't have felt the need to draw his pistol.

'Course the other side of that If is :
If he continued on driving...
He turned around....
He did not go there in the first place...

We can what if here , till the cows come home.

He was threatened , he responded.
Something to keep in mind here is , that what appears threatening to one person , may not appear so to another.

It seems to me that the protesters , did the first wrong....
To say something to them , is a natural , but maybe not the best , course of action....
Why should he be made to "put up with" or suffer for their illegal actions..?

Granted...
The scene shown in the video clip is not the ideal way to judge another persons actions.
And to engage with a angry , hostile crowd , ain't the best of notions.

But enough is enough for many folks....and I can understand the "Why" behind this event.
Andy