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There is little doubt of that.And a big thump when it gets there.
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There is little doubt of that.And a big thump when it gets there.
Interesting story.Shooting a 45-70 at 1,000 yards would be akin to shooting a recurve bow at 200, I would think.
Here's another wikipedia snip that I'm sure most here have heard about, buffalo hunter Billy Dixon knocked an Indian Warrior off his horse at 1,500 yards with a buffalo gun. He must have aimed maybe 30 feet over his target? Even he said it was a lucky shot.
I really like the Trijicon MRO I have on my 336. Lightweight, a bit more FOV than the others and. the green dot is awesome.I love the lever guns and the cartridges but their poor trajectories is why I don't think the lever gun needs a CDS dial scope. Ive been wanting to put a nice LPVO on my 3030 but the nicer ones I was looking at from Leupold are too expensive partly due to the unneeded CDS dial I would never use. My farthest shots on deer have been 200yds, which IMO is realistic since the holdover is pretty simple enough but its the group size thats kept me from even thinking about going to 300.
I put a Leupold 3x9 on mine, and fell in love with the firedot for morning and evening hunts. Its a big bulky scope though and Ive been attracted to a smaller LPVO on lever guns and been wanting one with a firedot but most of them are over my price and or fancy reticles for AR15s. Ive thought about a basic red dot but still want a variable optic for the longer 200yd shots which I am comfortable with in the caliber.I really like the Trijicon MRO I have on my 336. Lightweight, a bit more FOV than the others and. the green dot is awesome.
I use this for whacking coyotes on our 5-acre property. Max shot distance I would even safely get is ~120 yards and most of them are within 60. No magnification needed. Put a dot on the doggies chest and it's done.
It is on the pricey side though, I paid $400 plus $80 for the mount. I refuse buy Chicom junk anymore when good options exist from the homeland. Amortized over the rest of my life, the extra cost is really pretty minimal.
I have my other 336 with the 4x Leupold zeroed at 150 yards for that very reason. It likes the 160gr Hornady Leverevolution.Ive heard if you zero the 3030 at 150yds its the best MPBR zero for out to 200yds shots without any true holdover. Just point and shoot. Been wanting to try that.
Thats what Im using too, the FTX really did improve the trajectory of my 3030 as well as the group size so I luckily stocked up befor the ammo crunch. Im currently zeroed at 100yds since most shots are under but the 150yd zero is tempting to not have to worry about holdover at all out to 200yds. With the FTX its only about a 3.5" drop @200yds.I have my other 336 with the 4x Leupold zeroed at 150 yards for that very reason. It likes the 160gr Hornady Leverevolution.
Nice one.
Want one in 444 Marlin.
I had read years ago, the one criteria was it must be able at 100 yards, to kill the warrior laying behind the horse. I was in some older black powder tech talk, was never able to find the source again.one of the criteria was that it must be able to take down a horse with one shot.
When I dig into it, they say that the .444 Marlin was designed to approximate the power of 45-70.I never got this cartridge, why a .444 Marlin when there is .45-70? Please fill me in.
On paper, the 444 bests them both, but the market has decided the 45-70+P is the king.So in reality, it appears that 45-70 has survived an "assault" by both .444 Marlin and .450 Marlin.
Kind of amazing that a cartridge from the black powder era was able to fend off two modern designs that were intended to replace it.
Of the 3, I like the design of that .450 Marlin
.450 and 45-70 share the better bullet selection and that's probably why they created the .450 while .444 had already been benched.On paper, the 444 bests them both, but the market has decided the 45-70+P is the king.
In reality, they all do the exact same thing, with likely the exact same results.
FWIW, I only have a .45-70, a Marlin 1895GBL. I'd be just as thrilled with one in the other calibers as well.
Yep. Lots of big, cast boolits in .458. I wanted a 450 Marlin BAD when it was introduced..450 and 45-70 share the better bullet selection and that's probably why they created the .450
Before "boutique" loadings from companies like Buffalo Bore all of the 45-70 ammo matched the original 45-70-405 loads at 12-1300fps. Mortar shells. The 444 Marlin used readily available 44 Magnum bullets and was loaded to higher pressures since there weren't any old guns in that cartridge, like the Trapdoors in 45-70.I never got this cartridge, why a .444 Marlin when there is .45-70? Please fill me in.