Quantcast
  1. Sign up now and join over 35,000 northwest gun owners. It's quick, easy, and 100% free!

Pistol only BATF rules

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Reco, Sep 27, 2009.

  1. Reco

    Reco Portland Oregon Active Member

    Messages:
    348
    Likes Received:
    43
    I was wondering about the rules that regulate AR-15 pistols and AK Pistols. Were those a general set of regulations or do they apply just to those models of firearms. Could they be applied to other weapons as well. I had a discussion with a friend concerning this and we were curious if ammunition played any role or if it was specific firearms.

    Thanks in advanced.

    Reco
     
  2. PhysicsGuy

    PhysicsGuy Corvallis, OR Resident Science Nut

    Messages:
    4,132
    Likes Received:
    155
    What regulations are you referring to?
     
  3. Reco

    Reco Portland Oregon Active Member

    Messages:
    348
    Likes Received:
    43
    Heya PhysicsGuy.

    Well basically does the regulation regaurding AR 15 pistols and AK Pistols apply to the firearms models directly or does it cover fire arms ingeneral?

    like the design of the weapon it self. aka pistol only
     
  4. Benny503

    Benny503 Grants Pass Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,218
    Likes Received:
    267
    Yes I am having the same question relate to this. They do have AR-15 and AK as pistols (the short carbon AR). Can we carrry and concealed these?
     
  5. Reco

    Reco Portland Oregon Active Member

    Messages:
    348
    Likes Received:
    43
    I believe we can because the ar pistol is marked Pistol Only thus making it a pistol? doesnt matter if ya wanna throw a Beta mag on there!! ehhe


    but Im asking about something diffrent concerning possible new weapon design.

    Reco
     
  6. Benny503

    Benny503 Grants Pass Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,218
    Likes Received:
    267
    Yeah... yeah.... yeah :woot::wiggle::yes::rockon::bananadance: Can't wait for winter time for me to concealed ha ha ha j/k.... I believe .40/.45 is enought power already :) But it's nice to won one :)
     
  7. PhysicsGuy

    PhysicsGuy Corvallis, OR Resident Science Nut

    Messages:
    4,132
    Likes Received:
    155
    Well I dont believe that there are any "special" regulations for AR and AK pistols, just that they meet the definition of a pistol (aka no butt stock).

    Firearm regulations are usually universal and follow specific legal descriptions of what a rifle, pistol, and shotgun are. The same laws apply to a glock as a AR pistol, and the same apply between a mosin and AR-15 rifle.
     
  8. skud_dusty

    skud_dusty Salem, OR Active Member

    Messages:
    752
    Likes Received:
    120
    IIRC, for it to be a pistol, it must be first manufactured as a pistol. With items like the Mech-Tech conversions for Glocks and 1911s, since the weapon started out as a pistol, it's OK to turn it into a rifle, then back into pistol. Once it's a rifle, it is always a rifle in the eyes of the BATF. The only way to go about turning it into a pistol would be to do a SBR or SBS stamp.
     
  9. Reco

    Reco Portland Oregon Active Member

    Messages:
    348
    Likes Received:
    43
    This doesnt make sense though for AR pistols. They all started as rifles but get pistol exempt status do to no stock. So if I wanted to create a new weapon it have to start as a pistol do you have to get it all licensed ect through ATF before it would then be classified as a pistol first? Where did the sudden approval to make AR pistols come from RRA makes all rifles and such but because they mark the recieve "Pistol Only" its a AR Pistol? Is the manufactured designation at creation on the itemand marking it as "pistol Only" then make it a pistol?

    Reco
     
  10. skud_dusty

    skud_dusty Salem, OR Active Member

    Messages:
    752
    Likes Received:
    120
    When they manufactured the lower, if I understand correctly, it has to either be registered as a pistol or rifle. If you get a lower that's registered as a pistol, it can be built into a rifle, but not the other way around. When any receiver is manufactured and registered, it has to be classified as something. When your local gun shop calls in the 4473 you'll hear the clerk say "pistol" or "rifle." I'm not a manufacturer, so I'm not sure how that all goes about, whether the weapon is registered at the time of manufacture or when sold...that I don't know.

    I am not a lawyer, and I don't play one on TV...I'd contact the BATF if you want an answer that's not made up of things I've read on the internet :thumbup:
     
  11. Reco

    Reco Portland Oregon Active Member

    Messages:
    348
    Likes Received:
    43
    no that makes sense ill do that thanks for the info though.

    Reco
     
  12. skud_dusty

    skud_dusty Salem, OR Active Member

    Messages:
    752
    Likes Received:
    120
    Not a problem. I'd hate for anyone to get nailed for some silly technicality that could easily be overlooked :paranoid: