Parkrose Hardware just lost my business

[billdeserthills]

I don't know how it is in AZ, but here in Oregun, it's not a crime to carry a gun on private property that prohibits carrying a gun. It's a crime if you refuse to leave when asked, but not until. As it should be.

Same here in az,
I just don't like it.
You aren't going to make me like it
I believe that sign is just the beginning of
disrespect for gun rights and it isn't right
that the sign is allowed either. I think the
damn thing make liberals feel empowered
and I don't like it. If someone wants to endanger
their own life I'm all for it- I take offense when it's
mine or a loved one's

Does that sign also mean an armed policeman may
not enter either?

I just don't see why any decent sort of person would want to endanger other peoples lives or even want to strip me of my right to protect myself from danger?

 

[U201491]

Number one, most chl holders usually carry most all the time.
To have to obey a sign like that they would have to remove their firearm and leave in the vehicle. That sign also states there are or may be guns in my customers vehicles.
I would never do that under any circumstances. It is to easy to break into vehicles, and
the risk of it getting into some junkies hands are just not in the cards.
The sign leaves them vulnerable to robbery as an easy mark and also leaves their customers marked as unarmed.
In simple terms they are not very bright people which the sign confirms.
I get the flash alerts from all over the nW and the parkrose to gresham area is becoming a nest for gangs and vermin. They just keep moving out that direction.
Their sign will catch up with them in time and they might as well just make it neon and say
here I am, unarmed and easy. The BG's love those signs.

Now, you take a city like Kenesaw, GA and Chiloquin, OR and how many BG's do you see there. They give them a wide birth.

What they should do is put up a sign that says We and our customers are well armed. They would have the best security system in the city.
Think they will figure that out?? Nawww......

 

[MarkAd]

Before all your collective heads explode in indignation did you ever stop to consider the signs are up as a CYA in case anything untoward does happen in the store involving a weapon? Seriously, guys, the world is not out to get you or ruin your life.

CYA, HA ha!!! Man that is stupid funny....

 

[billdeserthills]

If a pair of lesbians can get a bakery fined & shut down then I want an end to gun-free zones
Gun free zones of any kind have only served to help criminals lately. I cannot attribute even One civilian life saved thru the use of a Gun Free Zone, Can You?

I'm sure you heard what happened at the Colorado movie theatre? Plenty of schools have had similar happenings. I see how voting with your $$$ works & it isn't near as fast as having a lesbian hissy fit & contacting the state seems to.

Why can't I aspire to hold the same rights that the "queer eye for the straight guy" folks have?

Good, then for my second request I want the Right to Demand Satisfaction re-instated...

How about the lesbians, they didn't hafta get a cake from that bakery & they never did get the cake they wanted either. How about the Fed-Ex guy who refused to deliver my handguns on the grounds that he doesn't believe in it? The time for reasonable action has passed. Why should I be all understanding of their situation- My life is at stake here, I might get lazy and leave the gun in the car, if it becomes too much of a hassle to conceal it on my person. I will also tell you that I believe the owner is responsible for ensuring I cannot protect myself & we might just find out that if an incident did take place in that store how very well that owner could be sued. Lawsuits are funny that way sometimes.

 

[unklekippy]

Well the federal government, in all their wisdom, decided that civil rights, granted by them, trump private property rights with businesses operating in "public accommodation." So if you provide a service to the general public, you can't discriminate based on age, sex, race, nationality, or religion. I think most states have also adopted their own versions of the federal civil rights acts, but the way SCOTUS has broadened the definition of "interstate commerce," I doubt it would make any difference at all.

I just identified the problem.

The same brainwashed folks think THE GOVERNMENT grants rights. In fact, the government acknowledges that God gave us those rights. the documents provided by Founders wanting to protect us from this knew better than to claim that THEY granted rights.

But the same doesn't apply for The King, Feinstein, Bloomberg and The Brady's. You are fortunate to have what they allowed you to have. Just ask them.

 

[unklekippy]

Oh, I also left out the part where, when citing "public accommodation", you mentioned all the rights guaranteed by he BoR EXCEPT the 2A. Yet another tactic. While mentioning "rights", simply leave gun rights out. Don't even mention it. Is Saul Alinsky on the site these days?

 

[unklekippy]

Disagree all you want. On your way out.

Says who? A little angry piggy that shows up to get his dick smacked? Did it hurt giving your soul to those that want to own us? Or did they pay you well for it?

 

[FarmerTed1971]

I just identified the problem.

The same brainwashed folks think THE GOVERNMENT grants rights. In fact, the government acknowledges that God gave us those rights.

Perhaps they are Atheist?

 

[unklekippy]

Perhaps they are Atheist?

But the guys that wrote the rules weren't atheist. And they are in fact the rules.

 

[nick1980]

I have never been to this store before but after reading all this bi$ching and crying they have a new customer! Think I will stop in today and leave my gun at home!

 

[unklekippy]

We all have to pick a side at some point. Too bad so many are so willing to give themselves to this crap to prove how "tolerant" they are. I'm glad these people are in places like Portland that will burn white hot in time. Real American's will pick up the pieces once the wolves in sheep's clothing finally tear it down. Complacent believers of Communist and Socialist bile will get what they deserve.

"If ye love wealth better than liberty,
the tranquility of servitude
better than the animated contest of freedom,
go home from us in peace.
We ask not your council or your arms.
Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you.
May your chains set lightly upon you,
and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."
Samuel Adams-Philadelphia State House, August 1st, 1776

 

[The B]

Does that sign also mean an armed policeman may
not enter either?

I don't see how it excludes them from the policy, but you'd have to ask whoever ordered the placard. People have certainly asked police to leave their establishments for a number of reasons, one being the guns on their hips. Private property rights don't stop at the uniform- cops are just as subject to trespass laws as anyone.

 

[The B]

I just identified the problem.

The same brainwashed folks think THE GOVERNMENT grants rights. In fact, the government acknowledges that God gave us those rights. the documents provided by Founders wanting to protect us from this knew better than to claim that THEY granted rights.

But the same doesn't apply for The King, Feinstein, Bloomberg and The Brady's. You are fortunate to have what they allowed you to have. Just ask them.

Actually, the government can grant rights. The Civil Rights Acts are a perfect example. They granted a black man the "right" to enter a store with a "no colored" sign out front. Does a black man have an innate right to walk into a store if the owner prohibits black people? The innate rights of private property have dictated for thousands of years that the owner of private property can refuse access/service to anyone. That was NOT a right the black man had before the federal government granted it to him.

 

[oknow]

I don't see how it excludes them from the policy, but you'd have to ask whoever ordered the placard. People have certainly asked police to leave their establishments for a number of reasons, one being the guns on their hips. Private property rights don't stop at the uniform- cops are just as subject to trespass laws as anyone.

Sorry to say but the cops are above the law. They have different rules then common people. Try a knock and kick the door in and see where you end up if the home owner is a anti gun person if your lucky.

 

[The B]

Sorry to say but the cops are above the law. They have different rules then common people. Try a knock and kick the door in and see where you end up if the home owner is a anti gun person if your lucky.

What?

Cops DO have to leave if you ask them to leave private property, just like anyone else. Unless they're ACTIVELY operating under the color of law via warrant or incident to an arrest, they're subject to all the same laws you and I are.

 

[The B]

Oregon Police Officer Asked to Leave Vegan Coffee Shop | Fox News

 

[oknow]

would the story have been the same if he had not already gotten his coffee also what would have happened if he said no, how many times have you seen a cop talking on the phone driving, or speeding and how many times have you heard of a cop doing that getting a ticket. how about cops getting a 911 on a family disturbance only to find out it's another cop and he get' told to just calm down and they leave. don't try and tell me they don't have a different set of rules to follow. I even heard a retired cop once say on a radio program "you see that exempt on the license plate that means the law too.

 

[The B]

would the story have been the same if he had not already gotten his coffee also what would have happened if he said no, how many times have you seen a cop talking on the phone driving, or speeding and how many times have you heard of a cop doing that getting a ticket. how about cops getting a 911 on a family disturbance only to find out it's another cop and he get' told to just calm down and they leave. don't try and tell me they don't have a different set of rules to follow. I even heard a retired cop once say on a radio program "you see that exempt on the license plate that means the law too.

We're talking about what's legal and what's right. Cops ignoring the law is illegal/criminal behavior, and doesn't apply to this conversation any more than any other crime you can come up with.

But since you bring it up- the law DOES exempt cops from the prohibition against talking on the cell while driving. They also are exempt from a lot of other traffic laws, while operating under the color of law. And yes, sometimes cops even get tickets while on duty, if they can't articulate why they had a good reason to run a red light or for speeding. Beaverton Police and WashCo Sheriff's Office have had beef in the past for writing each other tickets. The Oregon State Troopers are also notorious for writing tickets to officers from other agencies.

Sure... does "professional courtesy" happen? Yea, it happens. It's a brotherhood, a subculture, and like any other, they generally trying to watch out for each other. But it's not a given.

 

[The B]

And I'm gonna tell you right now, if I asked to cop to leave my establishment and he refused, I'd be pressing charges for criminal trespass. You know why you feel like you're so powerless? Because you make yourself powerless. You're not powerless. Yea, the deck is stacked against you. Thank our forefathers for that- those we hold in such high esteem... the "greatest generation." Those who let people like FDR turn freedom into a mockery and fully consented to the demilitarization of the population and subsequent militarization of civilian police agencies... Thanks, Grampa!

But we're NOT powerless. The law provides lots of small avenues for fighting small injustices, and larger ones for bigger ones. You see a cop break a traffic law that you know he's not exempt from? Go write him a citizen's traffic citation. They exist, and they work. Don't just sit there behind your computer whining, whining, whining, all the damn time whining about how oppressed you are. Freaking turns my stomach.

 

[oknow]

I have never been to this store before but after reading all this bi$ching and crying they have a new customer! Think I will stop in today and leave my gun at home!

well the way the saying goes "didn't happen without pictures" a receipt will do, otherwise it's just trolling.