obama and guns

[FourTeeFive]

I certainly didn't vote for Obama, and I doubt anyone else here did, so what exactly are you talking about?

And who in this forum is a PC progressive? Where is anyone here defending liberalism?

It would be nice if we could have an intelligent discussion here instead of tossing out repeated rhetoric.

 

[fd15k]

Where is anyone here defending liberalism?

It depends on what meaning is put into the term

 

[Jamie6.5]

The obama voters here will tell you they voted for him because they wanted "change" from the corrupt crony-ism of GWB. That they wanted to vote in someone that fought against the "big oil" and "big money" influence in government.












So they voted in a product of the notoriously corrupt Chicago political machine, that turned down public financing for his campaign, and raised hundreds of millions from Wall St. bundlers instead,...
That has a state and congressional record of voting against gun rights.

The disconnect(s) in the progressive-liberal mind are often insurmountable.

 

[FourTeeFive]

The best I had to say about Obama BEFORE he was in office was that he was anti-gun, had no experience, and came from the most corrupt city in the nation. Add to that his praise of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and his overall voting record, and you have someone completely unqualified to be in any political position.

Voting for him never was an option for me, and I don't see how it could have been for any gun owner or defender of the constitution.

And if by some twisted theory people were thinking they were voting for the lesser of two evils, I hope they learned their lesson.

 

[Partsproduction]

Obviously I'm not talking about the gun people who didn't vote for obama, but I've seen people here admit that they did, those are the people I'm talking to.

 

[Kevatc]

We who have seen this tyrant hoodwinking fools since day one are wondering when they will finally get their heads out of their bubblegums! We saw it right at the first! We suffer fools, but not gladly! It's far past time to rectify your mistake, and rectification starts with the admission that you made one.

We, the patriotic opposition are tired of PC progressives failing in their duties to see and rectify the problem, that is, their inability to see their mistake, admit it out in the open, and start to work with us against libtardism. The really weird part about this is that we are in a gun forum! If there is anywhere that people should be able to see the enemy it's here.

I was born in Oregon, yes, I'm tempted to move to Idaho or Arizona where the majority of people are conservative, but the fact is most libtards came from elsewhere and are dumping their marxist ideas in my state. I'm really tired of it, I suffer for your mistakes and then when I complain I get ridiculed. defending libtardism is what is ridiculous!

Might want to put a little sugar in that koolaid you're drinking. I sense it's a little bitter.

 

[Partsproduction]

And if by some twisted theory people were thinking they were voting for the lesser of two evils, I hope they learned their lesson.

I guess you mean they considered obama the lesser of two evils? Beyond the silliness of that statement, we all always vote for whomever we consider to be the best choice between two candidates. No one walking on earth is perfect, heck, the best of presidents had certain small problems, but one has to vote for the best candidate and never let that candidate, after winning, forget that you disagree with that area.

 

[Partsproduction]

it's a little bitter

Yeah, I'm, bitter, obama has just about sunk the ship of state and it looks like people haven't learned, he will carry his agenda out after the election without reserve.

But hey, if people want socialism they deserve what they get!

 

[dmancornell]

 

[FourTeeFive]

I guess you mean they considered obama the lesser of two evils?

Yes, many people seemed to vote for Obama since they disliked the Bush regime. But I think they had no idea how bad of an idea it was to be supporting Obama. A lot of people seemed to vote FOR him without really knowing anything ABOUT him.

 

[JGRuby]

Then get a better candidate then the crap that the republican party is using as competion to Obama and I will vote for that candidate- so far I have not seen one. Romney, Santorum and Newt are not what I consider worthy of the presidency. Ron Paul is the only one that I would vote for but when was the last time we had a president that wasnt either Republican or Democrat. To me you republicans are not coming up with a decent presidential candidate. I blame the relection of Obama on you republicans if it happens. I can find fault with any of the Republicans that are running in the primaries as I can with Obama - none are better than the other and I did vote for Obama and I may again. You guys complain but provide no better solution.
I am just as amazed by the idiots that vote Republican as to me many of the problems we are fighting were created if not emphasized by the Republitards. Yet they take no ownership for those problems.


James Ruby

James Ruby

 

[fd15k]

Yes, many people seemed to vote for Obama since they disliked the Bush regime. But I think they had no idea how bad of an idea it was to be supporting Obama. A lot of people seemed to vote FOR him without really knowing anything ABOUT him.

Interestingly enough, it's the opposite for me. I was in support of McCain back then, but given the same choice today, I would vote for Obama instead. No longer a single-issue voter.

 

[FourTeeFive]

Ron Paul is the only one that I would vote for but when was the last time we had a president that wasnt either Republican or Democrat.

Who cares? Vote for who you believe in and who best represents those values most important to you. Seems like an easy thing to do.

We NEED to get someone in power who isn't married to the two-party system.

 

[JGRuby]

Who cares? Vote for who you believe in and who best represents those values most important to you. Seems like an easy thing to do.

We NEED to get someone in power who isn't married to the two-party system.

I will when a thrid party becomes the equal of the Democratic and Republican parties - until then all you are doing is wasting your vote.

James Ruby

 

[FourTeeFive]

No vote is wasted. And how do you think a third party will ever become the equal of the two big parties?

Why do you think Ron Paul is running as a republican?

I just don't get voting against your beliefs. No vote is wasted. If we all went with your logic where would we be?

 

[EliDammit]

McCarthy was right.

I know this is a little late, but really?

 

[JGRuby]

We would be voting for the candidate we thought was best suited for the job that they were running for. If Ron Paul is running as a republican I will vote for him if he is put forth by the Republicans on the ticket. I thought that he was running independent - he did at one time leave the republican party and joined with the libertarians, guess he is back now- my mistake apprently. The only thing I dont like about Ron Paul is that he is weak on international affairs. Still Ron Paul is better than the other candidates I am seeing.

As far as a third party it would take a large group of Republicans and Democrats to create it and they wont allow that because it is against thier best interest. It aint going to happen.

James Ruby

 

[fd15k]

The only thing I dont like about Ron Paul is that he is weak on international affairs.

LOL

 

[Kevatc]

Then get a better candidate then the crap that the republican party is using as competion to Obama and I will vote for that candidate- so far I have not seen one. Romney, Santorum and Newt are not what I consider worthy of the presidency. Ron Paul is the only one that I would vote for but when was the last time we had a president that wasnt either Republican or Democrat. To me you republicans are not coming up with a decent presidential candidate. I blame the relection of Obama on you republicans if it happens. I can find fault with any of the Republicans that are running in the primaries as I can with Obama - none are better than the other and I did vote for Obama and I may again. You guys complain but provide no better solution.
I am just as amazed by the idiots that vote Republican as to me many of the problems we are fighting were created if not emphasized by the Republitards. Yet they take no ownership for those problems.

+ a million

 

[rufus]

Then get a better candidate then the crap that the republican party is using as competion to Obama and I will vote for that candidate- so far I have not seen one. Romney, Santorum and Newt are not what I consider worthy of the presidency. Ron Paul is the only one that I would vote for but when was the last time we had a president that wasnt either Republican or Democrat. To me you republicans are not coming up with a decent presidential candidate. I blame the relection of Obama on you republicans if it happens. I can find fault with any of the Republicans that are running in the primaries as I can with Obama - none are better than the other and I did vote for Obama and I may again. You guys complain but provide no better solution.
I am just as amazed by the idiots that vote Republican as to me many of the problems we are fighting were created if not emphasized by the Republitards. Yet they take no ownership for those problems.


James Ruby

James Ruby

Brilliant.

As for "the problems we are fighting", not sure about the problems you are fighting, but socialism is the biggest problem facing America today. Not many conservatives are going to take ownership of that. You?

By voting for Obama again, you are endorsing everything his administration has done to date. Voting is not a game, there are very real consequences involved that affect everyone. You say Paul is the only one that you would vote for but then dismiss the idea because of what? If someone is not in one party or the other, that is bad? Forget party affiliation and vote for the best man for the job. Obama ain't it. Any one of his contenders is a better choice.