obama and guns

[SonicBlue03]

For those of you who are dead set that the President is going to put significant restrictions on/take away firearms, I'd be very interested to see what you think he personally is going to try to pass in the next four years (assuming Santorum/Romney winner fails.)

So right here if you could - put down your bets on what you think he's likely to put in action. Not Congress or the Senate, but what he is going to initiate and sign into law that's going to cause gun owners grief. What are the items you think are in his agenda that have you absolutely worried that will come in another four years and why you think he might be successful in those efforts. If the sky is going to fall, I'd like for people to put their names to predictions so in a few years we can look back and see how many of them were well-founded vs. tinfoil hat nuttery.

By voting for Obama again, you are endorsing everything his administration has done to date.

That's not necessarily an accurate statement. A vote for an incumbent over a new candidate isn't an endorsement per sé, but often times an acceptance that other candidates haven't shown they're a better or even a lateral option. My 2nd vote for GWB wasn't my endorsement of his decision-making at large, but rather not seeing any value that the opponent would bring in at that time that would be better. That said, I don't think GWB's weak points really became more pronounced until his 2nd term anyway. Personal opinion of course, but that one statement concerned me enough I wanted to speak to it. As to voting not being a game, I agree.

 

[rufus]

Fair enough.

 

[Norm0931]

As far as republicans being to blame for our current "situation," you are incorrect. The housing market was doomed to failure because of Clinton and forcing banks to let every American have a house regardless of their ability to afford it. Bush just didn't fix it, so it finally crashed after several years.

But, back to GUN related issues.
Santorum - Pro gun but, religious zealot who belices in sharia law
Romney - Anti-gun
Gingrich - iffy on guns but, would be pro gun if you bribe him enough cause he is shady as hell
Ron Paul - Pro gun, not changed his stance on the constitution...EVER

 

[JGRuby]

I agree with voting being serious and I feel that it is my responsibility to vote. I also feel that I should vote for the best candidate and will based on my values. None of the Republitards on here take any of the responsibility for the failed eight years we had under Bush - for voting him into office - all I hear is complaints about Obama. I feel that many of my rights were removed or at least diminished greatly under Bush. I am looking for the best candidate and if that is the better of two evils so be it. Sorry, but Obama may be it. I only have one vote which I will use so from my perspective the Republitards will lose this election if they cant do better. There are many rights besides just the 2nd amendment.

Yes it is bad if a candidate is not in one of the two prominate parties because that greatly reduces that candidates odds between slim and none. Please prove me wrong - I am willing to listen to the last time we had a non democratic or republican president. It isnt something I like but it is the game. I am strongly considering Paul and yes he is republican but the GOP will not support him.

James Ruby

 

[fd15k]

Ron Paul - Pro gun, not changed his stance on the constitution...EVER

There is one BUT though. Ron Paul strongly believes in state powers, and while he is against firearms regulations
at the federal level, he would allow such regulations at the state level. With that position, he would likely kill
legislation like HR822 (reciprocity bill), and any other attempts of forcing 2A onto the states by the
Congress. Just keep that in mind...

 

[SnackCracker]

For those of you who are dead set that the President is going to put significant restrictions on/take away firearms, I'd be very interested to see what you think he personally is going to try to pass in the next four years (assuming Santorum/Romney winner fails.)

So right here if you could - put down your bets on what you think he's likely to put in action. Not Congress or the Senate, but what he is going to initiate and sign into law that's going to cause gun owners grief. What are the items you think are in his agenda that have you absolutely worried that will come in another four years and why you think he might be successful in those efforts. If the sky is going to fall, I'd like for people to put their names to predictions so in a few years we can look back and see how many of them were well-founded vs. tinfoil hat nuttery.

It is very likely there will be 1-3 Supreme Court justices replaced during the next Presidency term. We cannot afford to have 2 more "Sotomayors or Kagans" appointed to the US Supreme Court. If Obama is reelected he will add at least one more, if not 2-3 left leaning justices. The last two are poor examples of supporting the Constitution. If we get two more like them, you can kiss rulings like Heller and McDonald goodbye.
I don't know that Obama would directly use an Executive Order to create gun control, but there are other more subtle and more effective ways to push an agenda.

The writing is on the wall. Just open your eyes! Obama is NOT a gun supporter!

 

[fd15k]

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One thing to keep in mind. Most of Obama's anti-gun record comes from his time representing Illinois - people who elected him. And that's
exactly what a good politician supposed to do - represent the people who elected him, as opposed to advance his personal agendas.
I am of course implying that's what majority of people in the Illinois want, otherwise how would they continue to be the most
restricted state in the nation for that long ?

 

[SonicBlue03]

@Gunfixx - in your posts you've made clear your concern of the President's history. I'm unclear specifically what you think he will change in the next four years if re-elected. What item or items do you absolutely think he will change/go after in the next cycle?

@SnackCracker - that's an interesting point, and to be honest it scares me any time ANY President has the opportunity to appoint Justices. That's when I hope that the Congressional process works (I know, I know) and keeps enough of a filter/balance on that to allow the uncertainty of a moderatre candidate. I'm not a fan of 9 people deciding what 300 million can or cannot do just like I don't get how a single old man can dictate what billions of aligned Catholics should or shouldn't do.

 

[FourTeeFive]

15. Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes (Barack Obama on Gun Control and Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes) Oct 21, 2004.

Barack Obama: Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban.

Any questions?

 

[SonicBlue03]

So you believe that if the President wins re-election that he will implement a new assault weapons ban?

 

[FourTeeFive]

So you believe that if the President wins re-election that he will implement a new assault weapons ban?

I believe that and more are quite likely based on his previous comments and voting record.

 

[SonicBlue03]

I believe that and more are quite likely based on his previous comments and voting record.

Ok. I think that would be interesting for him to try given the impact of 1994 to Congress. I think the assumption then is that the GOP will lose the House to the Democrats this election cycle (which, I believe, is possible after the debt issues in Nov/Dec.)

@rufus - regarding debt, I've seen enough treads killed because of the non-gun-related so I'm just keeping my questions to the gun specific. Debt and otherwise probably make for much larger discussions.

 

[Partsproduction]

The housing market was doomed to failure because of Clinton and forcing banks to let every American have a house regardless of their ability to afford it. Bush just didn't fix it, so it finally crashed after several years.

Yes, don't forget Chis Dodd and "Bonny Fwank", they made the protections for non eligible borrowers that forced bankruptcy.

I am looking for the best candidate and if that is the better of two evils so be it. Sorry, but Obama may be it.

Well, if you hate America as much as he does he may be your guy! The bible says to give honor to kings and those in authority (Rom 13:1-7) but in obama's case many of us believe he was never eligible to hold the office, not being born here and never becoming a citizen. Therefor I give him no honor more than an imposter deserves. The others would have to be REAL bad to be the best choice for anyone who loves this country!

Santorum - Pro gun but, religious zealot who belices in sharia law

Huh? The closest thing we have to a muslim is obama. I'm pretty sure Santorum is a Catholic. I don't agree with their doctrines but they love this country. Religious zealot? If you believe in heaven and hell you had better be zealous about it, I am. If not then just call yourself an atheist or agnostic.

Ron Paul - Pro gun, not changed his stance on the constitution...EVER

#1 Can't win. #2 Hates Israel, I'd rather die than vote for anyone who will bring down the curses of Gen 12:3 on America. #3 Looks like he's on his last legs physically, too old, as is Gingrich IMHO. (I'd happily take Gingrich over Paul myself, and ANYone other than obama)

Finally, as stated by another poster, obama will certainly install another antigun pro abortion SCJ, he doesn't even have to try an end run, he's already hurt America by the Supreme Court candidates he's backed!

One more "soto" progressive in there and we lose lose lose folks. If obama gets it this country is done. Unless you think we'd do better under socialism?

 

[SonicBlue03]

One more "soto" progressive in there and we lose lose lose folks. If obama gets it this country is done. Unless you think we'd do better under socialism?

How have your firearms rights been impacted in the past four years and how do you think they will be impacted specifically? The statement, "this country is done" gives no examples or specifics as to how his re-election will impact gun owners. Or maybe your last post was mis-posted and instead intended for the Westboro message board (?)

 

[fd15k]

How have your firearms rights been impacted in the past four years and how do you think they will be impacted specifically? The statement, "this country is done" gives no examples or specifics as to how his re-election will impact gun owners. Or maybe your last post was mis-posted and instead intended for the Westboro message board (?)

The point about SCOTUS appointees is correct. Obama has replaced two justices, but that did not affect the balance of the court - majority is still conservative, thus Heller & McDonald were decided for the gun rights. But a single liberal appointee to replace a conservative justice, and it becomes a different story.
There are several important gun issues that can be decided soon in SCOTUS, carrying of firearms being one of them. But it is important to point out that even if we loose that one, it's not going to be end of the world - only states like CA, NJ, IL and HI will be affected.

Finally, super majority of states are in strong support of Second Amendment, and should anything happen at the SCOTUS level to neuter it, we can always pass another Amendment to secure the gun rights

 

[Sling Blade]

I think, simply put, Obama has bigger fish to fry than deal with gun control in a country that is becoming increasingly filled with firearms and can muster whatever money it takes to keep them in our homes.

 

[Kevatc]

Forget party affiliation and vote for the best man for the job. Obama ain't it. Any one of his contenders is a better choice.

No. Not even close. That's how bad the current Repub POTUS wannabe's are.

 

[Kevatc]

There is one BUT though. Ron Paul strongly believes in state powers, and while he is against firearms regulations
at the federal level, he would allow such regulations at the state level. With that position, he would likely kill
legislation like HR822 (reciprocity bill), and any other attempts of forcing 2A onto the states by the
Congress. Just keep that in mind...

Excellent point. It's one thing to say you're pro-gun but if you're willing to leave the 2A decisions (among other very important issues) to a state like New York or California then you're not 100% supportive of the 2A that should apply equally in all states.

 

[Kevatc]

Based on HIS RECORD WORDS & VOTES both past and present, he seems to be a Liar quite often.

And that makes him different from any other politician how?????

 

[DMax]

I think, simply put, Obama has bigger fish to fry than deal with gun control in a country that is becoming increasingly filled with firearms and can muster whatever money it takes to keep them in our homes.

Anyone who does not think through Obamacare that they cannot get rid of guns as a safety reason to keep getting health insurance is living in denial.. When the gov pays for your benefits they have the right to tell you how to live with or without guns especially if there are children in the house. Let's see does anyone know if any socialized country with gov paid healthcare can carry concealed weapons? Or have gun freedom? Regulation and executive orders will be the norm with Obamacare Congress and the constitution will be null especially if the Supreme Court goes alone with the mandate of the feds making you buy it. It time to start using your critical thinking skills. We don't live in trust worthy times.