Not for the weak of heart....VEIW AT YOU OWN RISK!!

[Caveman Jim]

Problem is, I am just as concerned with issues like separation of church and state, freedom of speech, rights of workers, equality issues, etc as I am my 2nd amendment rights. The republicans get black marks on ALL of those issues.

Then you are not a 2A supporter because you help elect the vermin who has an agenda AGAINST law abiding gun owners and their rights!!!

 

[OLDNEWBIE]

Since the republican have about zero chance of running a candidate I do not find morally and socially repugnant, is there any point in hoping that a dark horse centralist democrat with a good pro-gun record will come out of nowhere and steal the nomination from Clinton? Just so I won't have to vote 3rd party again. Is that too much to ask?

YES it's too much to ask!

Jeb is a very left of center (IMO) Republican from a diverse State. Not a fan of his at all, but he'd hopefully be slightly better than Hillary on gun rights. Would you vote for him or is his last name poison?

Unfortunately he's the GOPs favorite I'm afraid. Third party votes ensure Dem victories and the Dems are getting taken over by the EXTREEEEEM MSNBC watching left.
Looks like I'm holding my nose and voting for Jeb or Chris or ???

 

[PlayboyPenguin]

Then you are not a 2A supporter because you help elect the vermin who has an agenda AGAINST law abiding gun owners and their rights!!!

And you are anti-freedom, anti-worker, anti-soldier, and anti-free speech if you vote republican. Once you lose your job, your education, and your free speech your gun will be worthless. Power doesn't come from a gun barrel. if you think it does you are a fool.

 

[Just Jim]

And you are anti-freedom, anti-worker, anti-soldier, and anti-free speech if you vote republican. Once you lose your job, your education, and your free speech your gun will be worthless. Power doesn't come from a gun barrel. if you think it does you are a fool.

Well we have seen the last six years with your side so could you point out where they have been pro worker,pro soldier, pro free speech and pro freedom? Take your time

 

[Just Jim]

Hillary is to old to run this country at 67. By the election she will be 69.

 

[etrain16]

Power doesn't come from a gun barrel..

That's debatable. I think the patriots of the Revolution may disagree with you. One thing history has taught us though is that leaders seek to disarm their citizens before they take hold of supreme power. It's happened over and over and over again, usually with the populace willingly turning their weapons over to their governments under the promise of peace and safety. That we have the 2nd is a protection against unchecked power grabs. So yes, there is power there, at the end of a barrel, the power to keep the government at bay...at least to some extent. So yes, that, in my mind, and I know in the minds of others here, makes the 2nd amendment a primary issue, to deny that fact is to be ignorant of what history has taught us. You're a smart man Yankee, I know you know that.

 

[Jamie6.5]

And you are anti-freedom, anti-worker, anti-soldier, and anti-free speech if you vote republican.

And that statement makes you a bald faced liar PP.

Dems have done far more to curb free speech and more to spy on Americans, and kill them without due process, and screw the American worker in the last 50 years than any republican you can name.
George Wallace was a Dem.
Robert Byrd was a Dem.
Jesse Jackson referred to NYC as "Hymietown."
LBJ said he'd "have them ni**ers voting democrat for a hundred years" when he signed the civil rights act legislation.
You yourself spent plenty of time/posts slamming southerners as hillbillies, rednecks etc. until I called you out on it.

There are plenty more examples, but I know you'd never read them.

You have bought into the MSM and university narrative on the political philosophy debate, and it shows in every political thread you participate in on this board.
That doesn't make you right, truthful, or factual.
Just a parrot.

 

[Jamie6.5]

Once you lose your job, your education, and your free speech your gun will be worthless. Power doesn't come from a gun barrel. if you think it does you are a fool.

The hysteria you are peddling is palpable.
No politician, left or right is capable of unraveling the infrastructure this country has invested in education, free speech, or free enterprise in the time span allotted to the office of president.

But some might be better at running it, and/or making it more efficient and successful. The last batch of dems has done nothing but expand the inefficient bureaucracy entrenched in the areas of education, taxation, and regulation of free speech.

There have been over 3,300 new federal regulations added to the Federal Register so far this year. There are 74,014 pages of new regulations devoted to 2014.
If you think that constitutes the preservation of freedom and liberty, I have a bridge to sell you.

 

[Just Jim]

Crickets

 

[BoonDocks36]

.... snipped to.... Power doesn't come from a gun barrel. if you think it does you are a fool.

The quote showing the Forgotten Quotes from the zeal of communists and marxists and socialists...

Each showed ~that quote~ is So Wrong!!!!

And that is NOT forgetting our Countries Birth, due to

GOD
GUTS
....
....
GUNS.

Wow what a post to see first thing in the Morning...

Is there a Stupid Post of the YEAR award, I have a Nomination to suggest.

philip, OathKeeper since 1958, Shootist, since 1960, and Gun Owner until the last drop of BLOOD leaves my breathless body.

 

[BoonDocks36]

And that statement makes you a bald faced liar PP.

Dems have done far more to curb free speech and more to spy on Americans, and kill them without due process, and screw the American worker in the last 50 years than any republican you can name.
George Wallace was a Dem.
Robert Byrd was a Dem.
Jesse Jackson referred to NYC as "Hymietown."
LBJ said he'd "have them ni**ers voting democrat for a hundred years" when he signed the civil rights act legislation.
You yourself spent plenty of time/posts slamming southerners as hillbillies, rednecks etc. until I called you out on it.

There are plenty more examples, but I know you'd never read them.

You have bought into the MSM and university narrative on the political philosophy debate, and it shows in every political thread you participate in on this board.
That doesn't make you right, truthful, or factual.
Just a parrot.

Awesome Post of the WEEK Award...

 

[PlayboyPenguin]

Well we have seen the last six years with your side so could you point out where they have been pro worker,pro soldier, pro free speech and pro freedom? Take your time

And we saw the previous 8 years the other way. Both suck

 

[PlayboyPenguin]

The hysteria you are peddling is palpable.
No politician, left or right is capable of unraveling the infrastructure this country has invested in education, free speech, or free enterprise in the time span allotted to the office of president.

But some might be better at running it, and/or making it more efficient and successful. The last batch of dems has done nothing but expand the inefficient bureaucracy entrenched in the areas of education, taxation, and regulation of free speech.

There have been over 3,300 new federal regulations added to the Federal Register so far this year. There are 74,014 pages of new regulations devoted to 2014.
If you think that constitutes the preservation of freedom and liberty, I have a bridge to sell you.

Reality isn't hysteria and neither is history. I would suggest you learn your history and see what happens to populations that are brainwashed into thinking education and unions are bad.

 

[PlayboyPenguin]

And that statement makes you a bald faced liar PP.

Dems have done far more to curb free speech and more to spy on Americans, and kill them without due process, and screw the American worker in the last 50 years than any republican you can name.
George Wallace was a Dem.
Robert Byrd was a Dem.
Jesse Jackson referred to NYC as "Hymietown."
LBJ said he'd "have them ni**ers voting democrat for a hundred years" when he signed the civil rights act legislation.
You yourself spent plenty of time/posts slamming southerners as hillbillies, rednecks etc. until I called you out on it.

There are plenty more examples, but I know you'd never read them.

You have bought into the MSM and university narrative on the political philosophy debate, and it shows in every political thread you participate in on this board.
That doesn't make you right, truthful, or factual.
Just a parrot.

Hardly, your own version of history DOES NOT replace actual history just because you wish it. The Patriot Act was under a republican administration and that made everything possible. Plus, you have the current republican party busting unions, restricting voting rights, etc.

 

[Just Jim]

And we saw the previous 8 years the other way. Both suck

You never answered my question, but then I knew you wouldnt.

 

[OLDNEWBIE]

Not a Republican but requiring I.D. cards isn't restriction of Voting rights IMO, Scott Walker lessening the power of Unions Collective Bargaining is not busting them either. Unions in this Country have exceeded their original purpose and have become a burden to local Governments that can't tax people enough to satisfy over the top benefits. Public Service Unions need to be reigned in a bit.

Patriot Act? Both parties have been complicit.

Class war, Race war, Gender war etc.. Overblown hype by Politicians and Cable news. And even if you thought a Republican President wanted to severely curtail womens rights or gay or Union rights, as jamie6.5 said......


"No politician, left or right is capable of unraveling the infrastructure this country has invested in education, free speech, or free enterprise in the time span allotted to the office of president."
So why not vote gun rights as a priority for a few election cycles and see what happens?

 

[Doc In UPlace]

And we saw the previous 8 years the other way. Both suck

The open "secret" is that there is very little difference between the two administrations. -Or many which came before.

It is the dog-and-pony show that strives to make it seem as though there were any major differences.

Time for some Jameson refreshment!

 

[PlayboyPenguin]

The open "secret" is that there is very little difference between the two administrations. -Or many which came before.

It is the dog-and-pony show that strives to make it seem as though there were any major differences.

Time for some Jameson refreshment!

It is the same with gun rights. One side gives the 2nd amendment lip service to win single issue voters...but then does nothing substantial to support them once in power. Neither sides want the people to have any power.

 

[U201491]

There you go again, talking about mythical things like a "centralist democrat with a good pro-gun record."
They left the party about 1994, and haven't returned.

Stop considering politicians based on candidacy. I couldn't care less if they're a good candidate. BO was a great candidate, and he runs the country like he's still running for office. When he isn't getting what he wants, he hits the trail and starts stumping for his party and agenda.
When he should stay home and get to work. His presidency has been the most one-way example of how not to run the country that I have ever seen, neglecting the principles and processes of the office and the system, in favor of the kind of mob rule that he likes to incite.
This is not a democracy, subject to the whims of the majority-of-the-moment.

Vote for people that do and have done the right things while they held their job or their office, and stop worrying about the campaign trail.
We don't need another candidate.
We need a freakin' leader and a president.

Correction. Democrat demise was in 1964.

 

[Doc In UPlace]

You are right on-point there, PP. Power and incumbency are the real metrics, not left-right or conserve-libs.
Unfortunately the dog-n-pony show has many hoodwinked into believing a fantasy-land distraction-- so they don't figure out the real game that's afoot.