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I'd never trust a jacketed bullet to expand at 800fps.. unless you're shooting cinderblock that is.And they don't trust you.
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I'd never trust a jacketed bullet to expand at 800fps.. unless you're shooting cinderblock that is.And they don't trust you.
I'd never trust a jacketed bullet to expand at 800fps.. unless you're shooting cinderblock that is.
And the 180gr goes 800fps. no thanksModern JHPs do quite well in gel tests at velocities under 1000 fps when the proper bullet is selected.
Hornady .44 special defense ammo
180 gr. XTP from 7.5" barrel
MUZZLE - 1000 fps
50 YARDS - 935 fps
100 YARDS - 882 fps
165 gr. FTX from 2.5" barrel
muzzle - 900
50 yards - 848
100 yards - 802
Both are designed to expand out to 100 yards.
So you went to the Defense Language institute in Monterey? That was supposed to be an incredible experiance. We spent 90 days in Europe a couple of falls ago, amazing how much German I lost. It is still the language to know in Europe. Even my wife's Hungarian relatives were better with German than English........and that is a language unto its own. My wife told them she would like to learn some Hungarian......there response was "why" no one else uses it. I would have thought with your background you would have been a natural for some ABC agency or international busisness. I don't regret my time either buy it was best to get out when I did. I could have stayed buy they pulled me from flight status and I would never been away from a desk. At that point it was just another job, I paid myself a lot better than they ever did and I could still play the game as I wanted. Like you, I saw a lot of history up close first hand both while in and after I got out. In the end, all any of us have is memories and stories (unless Alzheimer's gets us) guys like you and I have the best. Sometimes it reminds me of Forrest Gump. stay in touch.
Interesting conversation, I have some of each I guess....lots of guns. The problem we are up against in my state is it is illegal to hunt big game with anything less than a 44 mag. 357 is a great caliber but pales in every way when compared with a 44. 45 Colt can be loaded as hot but convince a game warden of that. I spent an afternoon with Elmer Keith in the early 80's. He felt that the 44 was his crowning achievement and I agree. The only way to shoot big calibers cheep is reload. I load a 44 mag for about the same cost as a 45 ACP. The 41 mag is a useless caliber. bullet selection is poor, it won't do what a 44 will and does not shoot as nicely as a 357. I have owned many calibers and guns that were useful and fun. I had a AMT 45 Winchester Magnum that I could drive nails with at 50 feet but ammo is very difficult to find and parts can be impossible. For basic go to guns it is best to stay with common guns and calibers. My 629 has the lock system, I have never messed with it and not had any trouble. My buddy brought a new performance shop 7" 629 to the ranch on eclipse day. We shot both my 4 inch and his.....everybody shot my 4" better than his long barrel. He offered me 1000.00 and his new gun for mine......I like mine just fine and a long barrel handgun is too tough to carry. He shot a perfect score with mine on a 50' small bore target. So, get a 44, buy ammo when it is on sale, save the brass and reload. It is the most sensible choice for your criteria. I am not a fan of the big Ruger handguns, off course they are tough but also impossible to carry comfortably and feel like a club. As big as my N frames are, they feel refined and sleek compared to a Redhawk.
So....what bullet choices do you have with a 41? How about shot shells? When was the last time you found ammo on sale or a rifle in the caliber. I agree it is probably as effective for most uses but even its designer (Elmer Keith) considered it less effective than his masterpiece 44 mag.......where is Georgia? Is that even in the US? Maby some hidden corner of the Northwest? Elmer was an Idahoan, he carried a 44......I remember now, one of my great uncles died in a place called Andersonville after traveling from Montana to help put down a little insurrection there. My great grandfather also a westerner, was with Sherman as he made new roads there. Is that where you live?Dear Argonaut,
I have to disagree with you, strongly, as regards your opinion on the .41 Magnum being a useless caliber.
I've had mine (Model 57) for over 10 years (As well as a gorgeous pair of Model 29's and a Model 27 and a 6" colt Python so I am very familiar with .44 magnum and .357 Magnum.) And in one respect you are half right as there are not as many bullet options for the .41 as there are for some other calibers but there are still plenty of good options out there to make it a very versatile weapon. My .41 will do pretty much ANYTHING that a .44 Mag will do and with its 8 3/8 inch barrel my Model 57 shoots every bit a nice as as either of my .357"s and instead of the "Snap" you get when firing a .44, the .41 gives a very nice "Push" instead. The ballistics on a .41 at ranges over 75 yards are actually better than those of the .44 Mag and I have shot some crazy tight groups at distances that would surprise you. The .41 Mag is a highly overlooked and underrated round that you should give a much closer look at. I believe that you will be pleasantly surprised if you give it an honest chance to impress you.
With Best Regards
John: Atlanra, GA.
So....what bullet choices do you have with a 41? How about shot shells? When was the last time you found ammo on sale or a rifle in the caliber. I agree it is probably as effective for most uses but even its designer (Elmer Keith) considered it less effective than his the masterpiece 44 mag.......where is Georgia? Is that even in the US? Maby some hidden corner of the Northwest? Elmer was an Idahoan, he carried a 44.
Dear Argonaut,
I have to disagree with you, strongly, as regards your opinion on the .41 Magnum being a useless caliber.
I've had mine (Model 57) for over 10 years (As well as a gorgeous pair of Model 29's and a Model 27 and a 6" colt Python so I am very familiar with .44 magnum and .357 Magnum.) And in one respect you are half right as there are not as many bullet options for the .41 as there are for some other calibers but there are still plenty of good options out there to make it a very versatile weapon. My .41 will do pretty much ANYTHING that a .44 Mag will do and with its 8 3/8 inch barrel my Model 57 shoots every bit a nice as as either of my .357"s and instead of the "Snap" you get when firing a .44, the .41 gives a very nice "Push" instead. The ballistics on a .41 at ranges over 75 yards are actually better than those of the .44 Mag and I have shot some crazy tight groups at distances that would surprise you. The .41 Mag is a highly overlooked and underrated round that you should give a much closer look at. I believe that you will be pleasantly surprised if you give it an honest chance to impress you.
With Best Regards
John: Atlanra, GA.
Yeah, the .41 mag with the SP bullet was supposed to be the "hunting load", while the version with the LSWC was supposed to be the "police load", thus creating one "do-all" round within the compactness of only two load variations.
The problem is they hardly advertised that fact and most police were equipped with the hunting load instead of the one they were supposed to use.
This is why most cops of the time decided to stick with their .357's. It was more controllable and powerful enough.
Truth was, the lower powered .41 load was a better man-stopper while being just as (or for some, even more) controllable than the vaunted .357.
I remember reading that it was the police version of the .41 mag that inspired Skeeter Skelton to develop his fabled .44 Special load.
Dean
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Does anyone know about the S&W 586-7 4" barrel model that is not a performance center but supposedly is a limited production line? If so what is the price?