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To be clear, I would like to see no ban placed on gun ownership and no laws changed. I think it is unconstitutional and it will not cure the ills driving this desire.

But, if we have to give on something, and President Obama and Wayne LaPierre put me on speaker phone telling me they can't seem to get to common ground, here is what I would suggest.

Let me know if you like none of it, all of it or some of it or have other ideas.

  • Allow teachers to conceal or open carry in all schools. Or if this is unpaletable, allow teachers to carry non-lethal tasers.
  • Provide training to all teachers who choose to conceal carry or open carry.
  • Provide well trained security for every school. I agree with Wayne. We gaurd every other important thing in our life with a gun, why not our kids. We gaurd or president, our money, our banks, some private buildings, movie stars, airports, etc. But this can't be TSA level professional. It has to be someone with real training. Maybe a local law enforcement rotation.
  • Mandatory security upgrades for all schools. Ensuring entrances are controlled, there is security, bullet proof glass in the front and panic buttons in all rooms.
  • Mandatory security doors for each classroom that can be locked from the inside in the case of an emergency.
  • Provide a law that allows schools to engage public volunteers who are trained to provide free security for local schools. Provide a means for a tax deduction of the time spent by the citizen as a charitable contribution.
  • Include a tax on all gun purchases and gun transfers of $25 (+/- to get it to fund right - I am not stuck on a number. It could be $100) to pay for security and upgrades in every school and training for teachers who carry. Add a small tax of 10% for every ammo sale as well.
  • Limit magazines to 30 rounds. This one you might have to give up and go to 10 rounds Not sure you can avoid that at this point.
  • All sales require FFL. No gun show loop holes (I know there is no loop hole in Oregon, but in other states there are) and no FTF sales with out FFL.
  • Require standardized FFL background checks against a db maintained at the national level.
  • Mandatory 1 week waiting period on purchases.

As a fall back to resistance, you could ban semi-automatic rifles that have evil features and limit ownership to people who belong to US approved local 3rd line defense militias that follow certain strict training regiments including annual training with national gaurd or US military. Those militias could have the ability to report any individual they feel may not have a solid mental foundation to the US db for flagging as potential restriction. So, you would at worst case only need to convince a militia of your peers that you were mentally sound. I just think there should be an AR/AK & hi cap magazine ownership path for us sane people. Not sure if would really help since the armed forces have crazy people too. This militia part is just a brain storming idea. Not sure if I like it or not. Mulling it over.

highlight 1 having law enforcement at the schools do you mean something like school security (SS for short) we saw how that went over in germany

highlight 2 limiting mag cap. instead of 30 rounds how about limiting it to the biggest magazine you can carry that is what I will agree with on compromises
 
My ideas for new gun safety measures:

1.) Expand concealed carry for teachers in schools. Also Require at least one person at each school be firearm certified with specific requirements for dealing with school shootings and include requirements for ongoing continuing education requirements.

2.) Limit magazine capacity to 10 rounds. No honest man needs more than 10 rounds. Grandfather this in but require ceasefire Oregon to offer $50 buyback program for all magazines that exceed this limit. Allow for use of term "Clip" to also be used in place of magazine so people will quit bubbleguming about this on the internet.

3.) Require all firearm transfers to go through NICS background check.


P.S. - Please no personal attacks this close to the holidays as I'm a very sensitive and special person, thanks


#2 and 3 suck why do you want to give up my FREEDOM
 
#2 and 3 suck why do you want to give up my FREEDOM

I don't feel these measures give up any freedoms. In my opinion magazine capacity is not included in 2nd amendment protections and the only way having to go through a NICS background check would infringe on your rights is if you were a criminal not allowed to own a firearm.

I feel these measures would help to curb the instances of firearms ending up in the arms of bad people while allowing good folks like you and me to continue to own and use any firearms we wish.
 
I don't feel these measures give up any freedoms. In my opinion magazine capacity is not included in 2nd amendment protections and the only way having to go through a NICS background check would infringe on your rights is if you were a criminal not allowed to own a firearm.

I feel these measures would help to curb the instances of firearms ending up in the arms of bad people while allowing good folks like you and me to continue to own and use any firearms we wish.

repeating rifles were not mentioned in the 2 A so using your line of thinking we should give these up too. magazines go with the weapon get over it or turn your guns in instead of giving up our rights
 
Posted by another member here this is the best video on gun control I have seen in a long time. Send this to everyone you know.

 
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I don't feel these measures give up any freedoms. In my opinion magazine capacity is not included in 2nd amendment protections and the only way having to go through a NICS background check would infringe on your rights is if you were a criminal not allowed to own a firearm.

I feel these measures would help to curb the instances of firearms ending up in the arms of bad people while allowing good folks like you and me to continue to own and use any firearms we wish.

Just because you do not have a need for magazines with capacity over 10 rounds does not mean that they should be outlawed. I don't have a reason my car should do over 70 m.p.h. in the state of Oregon. That's the highest speed limit. Should the nanny state government regulate everything in our life that has the potential for misuse? I hate to tell you, they would have to regulate everything. And if we start giving in, they'll keep trying.
I feel these measures would help to curb the instances of firearms ending up in the arms of bad people while allowing good folks like you and me to continue to own and use any firearms we wish.

When you start giving up other people's rights, how long do you really think you'll hold onto yours? The gun grabbers have made no secret to the fact that they won't be happy until all privately owned guns are melted into nothing. If they start taking those magazines and modern sporting rifles that you don't care about, how long before they ask for your carry gun (because the police are there to protect you) or your hunting rifle (because its a high power sniper rifle).

Please try to remember the various form of the following poem:

First they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

If you don't stand up for gun rights that you may not agree with, then no one will be left to stand with you for the gun rights YOU do hold dear.
 
I don't feel these measures give up any freedoms. In my opinion magazine capacity is not included in 2nd amendment protections and the only way having to go through a NICS background check would infringe on your rights is if you were a criminal not allowed to own a firearm.

I feel these measures would help to curb the instances of firearms ending up in the arms of bad people while allowing good folks like you and me to continue to own and use any firearms we wish.


In blue are opinions and feelings neither of which are based on fact. Bring some facts to the table and it might help your cause. Please don't give up my freedoms for your feelings. I will NOT give up yours for mine.


In red, you are correct that magazines are not mentioned in the 2A. Nor is any specific firearm, action or capacity. You are as well spoken as any other ANTI-GUN person/group. The 2A is written to protect ALL firearms ESPECIALLY one "military" in nature.
 
In blue are opinions and feelings neither of which are based on fact. Bring some facts to the table and it might help your cause. Please don't give up my freedoms for your feelings. I will NOT give up yours for mine.


In red, you are correct that magazines are not mentioned in the 2A. Nor is any specific firearm, action or capacity. You are as well spoken as any other ANTI-GUN person/group. The 2A is written to protect ALL firearms ESPECIALLY one "military" in nature.

The left keeps mentioning that the founding fathers never envisioned or never intended the weapons that now exist when they wrote the Second Amendment. They should also realize that they never imagined the internet, or TV, or social media, or radio, or even widespread literacy and book ownership. And the flow of poisoned ideas has caused much heart ache, pain, and one could argue deaths over the last century. I don't hear those same gun grabbers advocating for censorship of the first amendment. If they are going to advocate taking my second amendment right, then can I advocate taking away their first amendment rights so they don't spew their hateful ideas and ideals?
 
Nwcid,

Damn, much respect for you.

I personally believe (in blue lol) that eventually the idiotic sheeple will get their way in lockstep with gov and the 2A is screwed.

However, that doesn't mean I don't have 100% respect for a man like yourself telling it like it is; I am just a realist and know how programmed the masses are at this point. The lemmings will march lock step right off the cliff into tyranny.

Hey, fake freedoms were nice while they lasted I guess. Lucky to be born into the debt bubble and the fake ponzi money-printing standard of living.

Hopefully dead before we transform fully into the USSA and we have the standard of living comparable to Zimbabwe, complete with boot on neck. Those in their 20s/30s won't have that luxury.
 
Great response from most. Some seem charged a bit more than I expected. I am sorry if my post came across like we should give up. I guess I am stressed about being demonized at work and demonized in the news and demonized by friends just because I own and use guns and support 2A. I guess I was thinking thru the situation, but not giving up.

I feel like a lot of gun owners talk a big talk, but might not do anything about it. We need to do something. We need to stand up and be heard. We need to contact our representatives and fund groups that will take on the fight. However, the one thing I learned this week is that the only person who hates a gun owner more than an anti-gun person, is another gun lover. We do not need gouging, thread crapping, accusations that someone deserves to get raped or assertions that someone should give up gun ownership if they do not agree with you.

Where is the community? If someone does not agree with something, try reason and persuassion and discussion. Certain nasty threads and posts in this forum just prove that gun owners are crazed idiots. I don't think that is true, but an outsider looking might. This threat to our freedoms has really divided this community and caused some nastiness I really do not like.

Anyways, thanks for giving me more to think about. Again, it was more me thinking thru my fears, not me suggesting we give up or me being anti-gun. Sorry if it came across that way.

As for me, I want none of what I proposed, but I think something is coming and I working thru it I guess. Too many angry people out there for nothing to happen. I was trying to think thru what loss of freedom might be worked out and still have some ground left. At our current rate, if feels like a lot more could be loss all in the name of public fear and disinformation. I plan to fight it with funding to groups, letters to representatives, being cordial with community members (especially the ones that frustrate me) and protests if there are any.
 
In blue are opinions and feelings neither of which are based on fact. Bring some facts to the table and it might help your cause. Please don't give up my freedoms for your feelings. I will NOT give up yours for mine.


In red, you are correct that magazines are not mentioned in the 2A. Nor is any specific firearm, action or capacity. You are as well spoken as any other ANTI-GUN person/group. The 2A is written to protect ALL firearms ESPECIALLY one "military" in nature.

I have every right to express my opinion as I feel fit, just as you did in tirelessly defending a stupid squid that was legally killed so spare me the condescending blue/red highlights. I never said anything about doing anything to "military" type firearms so no need for the lecture.
 
2.) Limit magazine capacity to 10 rounds. No honest man needs more than 10 rounds. Grandfather this in but require ceasefire Oregon to offer $50 buyback program for all magazines that exceed this limit. Allow for use of term "Clip" to also be used in place of magazine so people will quit bubbleguming about this on the internet.

I consider myself an honest man and I feel the need for a 15rnd mag in my CC gun. I often don't carry spare mags when I CC and feel that having one in the gun with 15rnds gives me a reasonable comfort zone in which to deal with the vast majority of likely potential threat scenarios.
 
Jimbo, brother. I cannot speak for other people. I hold no ill will towards you (or Keystir). I don't wish for you to be raped, and by no means do I think you should give up your gun ownership. I had to have this same conversation with my father the other day. He owns guns but said he said there should be an assault weapons ban. I will tell you the same thing I told him. They may not be a part of the gun culture and ownership you choose to participate, and that's cool. Own and shoot what you like. But what you shouldn't do is be so willing to sacrifice those things that you don't own. I don't own full autos. I don't own SBR's. Don't have much use for them. I don't open carry. I personally think its a poor idea. But I will stand up for those rights because I expect them to stand up for mine.
 
jim here is one of the big reasons that the anti-gun groups are so strong is because they ALL believe that ALL guns are bad. They will do ANYTHING to win. Any little win is a step in the "right" direction for them. They lose nothing by not winning every time. They as a collective push on.

On the Pro-gun we can not even get along. Half of the people that CLAIM to be pro-gun or believe in freedom are willing to give it away. Some say this gun is ok but this one is not or this magazine is ok but this one is not. We need to be as unified as the anti's are.
 
Make this man the President, whatever they can him Grand-Pubbah, of the NRA right now and I'll send in 10% of anything I make. Right now, the NRA is about as worthless as tits on a boar.

I'm out - got to go act like I have a life lol.

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I consider myself an honest man and I feel the need for a 15rnd mag in my CC gun. I often don't carry spare mags when I CC and feel that having one in the gun with 15rnds gives me a reasonable comfort zone in which to deal with the vast majority of likely potential threat scenarios.

Sorry, I blue highlighted you magically rendering your statement meaningless, without any thought or reason and Burt will think It's hilarious.
 
I don't feel these measures give up any freedoms. In my opinion magazine capacity is not included in 2nd amendment protections and the only way having to go through a NICS background check would infringe on your rights is if you were a criminal not allowed to own a firearm.

I feel these measures would help to curb the instances of firearms ending up in the arms of bad people while allowing good folks like you and me to continue to own and use any firearms we wish.


Perhaps you should go back and read the SECOND AMENDMENT again.
 
I don't feel these measures give up any freedoms. In my opinion magazine capacity is not included in 2nd amendment protections and the only way having to go through a NICS background check would infringe on your rights is if you were a criminal not allowed to own a firearm.

I feel these measures would help to curb the instances of firearms ending up in the arms of bad people while allowing good folks like you and me to continue to own and use any firearms we wish.


Perhaps you should go back and read the SECOND AMENDMENT again.
 

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