Oregon Measure 114 litigation

[AshWilliams]

While it happens regularly, special interests from outside a state, funding a political change in a state can be problematic. If it weren't for those dollars from special interest groups, M114 likely would have failed.

Correct. Out of state money purchased the initiative on the ballot. Then the political machine and media outlets here in Oregon ran with it, put their spin on what it actually does, and conservatives failed to walk their ballot to the mailbox. Here we are.

 

[jayR]

I wonder if withholding the voter rolls from the US Attorney General is against the law.

 

[AshWilliams]

yes to all of that, but still not against OR law

Correct again, but I believe it should be. How all of that money would be tracked is a whole different can of worms.

This mechanism basically allows special interest groups to purchase laws or politicians. Nothing new here I know, just calling it out.

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

I wonder if withholding the voter rolls from the US Attorney General is against the law.

At this time the general understanding of the law is that no, it is not against the law

Why ensuring ‘clean’ voter rolls is such a touchy subject

Everyone agrees that a “clean” voter list is good practice. But people differ on how aggressively election officials should work to remove potentially ineligible voters.

www.votebeat.org

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

Correct again, but I believe it should be. How all of that money would be tracked is a whole different can of worms.

This mechanism basically allows special interest groups to purchase laws or politicians. Nothing new here I know, just calling it out.

Citizens United has entered the chat



FWIW and JMHO and all that, Citizens United should be overturned immediately and I would love to see this idea implemented

 

[3MTA3]

No bubbleguming clue what he is talking about.

"Gun advocate groups are holding their members hostage waiting for donations to their organization before they will weaponize the members.

Oregon isn't anti gun, We've been played by politics of the people who run all of these organizations that supposedly support gun owner and gun rights."

Who is he talking about? What groups? And how do they "weaponize their members"? Makes no sense at all. I think he's on crack or something.

That's how I read it as well. He's blaming gun advocacy groups and lawyers who are there to protect us (they have bills to pay, too, so can't do this for free) for taking advantage while ignoring the political tyrants who seek to disarm us in order to demote us from Citizenship to Subject status.

It's like blaming the lawyer who represents a rape victim while ignoring the fact that without the rapist he wouldn't be there in the first place.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

That's how I read it as well. He's blaming gun advocacy groups and lawyers who are there to protect us (they have bills to pay, too, so can't do this for free) for taking advantage while ignoring the political tyrants who seek to disarm us in order to demote us from Citizenship to Subject status.

It's like blaming the lawyer who represents a rape victim while ignoring the fact that without the rapist he wouldn't be there in the first place.

Yea and it makes no sense at all. Nobody is holding anybody hostage. We've had so
many wins in the courts nationwid I can't even remember them all. Dude is kray kray.

 

[3MTA3]

Yea and it makes no sense at all. Nobody is holding anybody hostage. We've had so
many wins in the courts nationwid I can't even remember them all. Dude is kray kray.

I think that all the recent pro 2A Circuit Court and SCOTUS decisions along with others likely to happen this term are making the Anti's nervous and desperate. This is exactly the propaganda they would like to spread to fracture the Citizens and the Advocacy groups that are pushing those cases to the higher courts.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

I think that all the recent pro 2A Circuit Court and SCOTUS decisions along with others likely to happen this term are making the Anti's nervous and desperate. This is exactly the propaganda they would like to spread to fracture the Citizens and the Advocacy groups that are pushing those cases to the higher courts.

I wouldn't be surprised if that's the reason and the source. In China the gov employs 10s if not 100s of thousands of people to do exactly this, disinformation.

The post seems to be saying don't give to pro-gun groups. But that's our only legal way to fight for our rights. And it is clearly working as we have wins across the board. Take just one example, bump stocks. That decision has opened up forced reset triggers and many more possibilities down the road. It has also stopped ATF from arbitrarily calling whatever they want a "machine gun". ATF now has to follow the actual law instead of making their own. We are finally reversing the tighter and tighter restrictions, one case at a time.

Everything in the post is factually wrong and does seem to be the best weapon the anti-gunners can have. If we stop giving to those who are on our front lines, we have literally given up the fight and let D legislators take our guns now and into the future.

As I said before the post is completely retarded. But the idea of it being a ruse by the anti gunners probably makes more sense.

 

[Stomper]

Y'all just wait until Harmeet Dhillon gets that Second Amendment Rights Section spooled up into high gear.....

a good offense is an awesome defense.

 

[3MTA3]

Y'all just wait until Harmeet Dhillon gets that Second Amendment Rights Section spooled up into high gear.....

a good offense is an awesome defense.

And she is not wasting any time.

 

[Savage Jav]

Have we gotten a vinal verdict from the Oregon Supreme Court?

 

[CamoDeafie]

Have we gotten a vinal verdict from the Oregon Supreme Court?

As far as we know, no

 

[Savage Jav]

As far as we know, no

Hard to follow these events when one is out of the country.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Hard to follow these events when one is out of the country.

When the Oregon Supremes issue their verdict, either in favor of the State or not, the anti2A media will let everyone know, whether Oregon is "leading the States in combating gun violence", or "Oregon proves that you can't have meaningful change when the Courts are forced to follow Bruen methodology"

 

[lockmart]

When does it go into effect if this is ruled good to go?

 

[roseburger]

When does it go into effect if this is ruled good to go?

There's still a federal hold on the permit system, but the magazine ban would be immediate.

 

[lockmart]

There's still a federal hold on the permit system, but the magazine ban would be immediate.

Whoa that's interesting. I wasnt aware of that.

 

[roseburger]

Whoa that's interesting. I wasnt aware of that.

Only until the state says it's ready, so don't hold your breath. That said, there will likely be a notice prior to it going live to give people a chance to meet the training requirements.

 

[quin2021]

There's still a federal hold on the permit system, but the magazine ban would be immediate.

https://olis.oregonlegislature.gov/liz/2025R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/SB243

Sb243 set the effective date for both permit system and mag cap law as march 15th. But that's only if the the Oregon sc has made a decision in favor of m114 before then. So theoretically if today they ruled in favor of m114 than both mag cap and permit scam would not go in to effect until march 15th. If no decision is made by then it would be postponed. If ruled against m114 implementation than it's gone till the next anti gun law gets proposed.