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Yes they really are that daft. They really truly believe they can get more gun owners to jump through hoops to "comply" with everything they want.
In their minds, gun owners are going to be lining up for blocks to accept the absolute blessing that they've given us to redeem ourselves with society. And then we'll thank them for being so kind to us as to let us set ourselves straight with the Oregon State government. They might even expect we'll want to take them out for a nice dinner after we've cleared our names. Wow.
 
In their minds, gun owners are going to be lining up for blocks to accept the absolute blessing that they've given us to redeem ourselves with society. And then we'll thank them for being so kind to us as to let us set ourselves straight with the Oregon State government. They might even expect we'll want to take them out for a nice dinner after we've cleared our names. Wow.
Delusions of grandeur, the lot of them. Not just the ones writing, but the ones who allowed them to vote it in by being present instead of preventing quorum
 
You have to admit it to use affirmative defensive. That's how it works. If you don't admit to it you can't use affirmative defense.

Fe "yes officer I shot him, but it was in self defense". Then you prove self defense and you go free. Vs "no officer I didn't shoot him".

If you want to use affirmative defense for possession of a >10 mag, you have to admit it and show both it was for an allowed purpose and you owned it prior to the effective date.
Okay, take for an example where no other crime is committed and no self-defense shooting. I'm just at a range day and I slip up somehow. (Yes this is unlikely but we have to rationalize every possible outcome to know how this works I guess)

If cop pulls up and says "hey those are some nice 30 rounders you've got there."
And I say "oh please officer just take them away I don't want to go to jail" ...
then he's going to say, "sorry pal you've had your chance to voluntarily walk into the police station and relinquish them but I caught you first so you're out of luck...get in the car."
And then I'll say "but officer I was on my way to the police station, I just got lost along the way."

Can't they just grandfather mags and call this whole thing a little less of a travesty?
 
Okay, take for an example where no other crime is committed and no self-defense shooting. I'm just at a range day and I slip up somehow. (Yes this is unlikely but we have to rationalize every possible outcome to know how this works I guess)

If cop pulls up and says "hey those are some nice 30 rounders you've got there."
And I say "oh please officer just take them away I don't want to go to jail" ...
then he's going to say, "sorry pal you've had your chance to voluntarily walk into the police station and relinquish them but I caught you first so you're out of luck...get in the car."
And then I'll say "but officer I was on my way to the police station, I just got lost along the way."

Can't they just grandfather mags and call this whole thing a little less of a travesty?
I have doubts that it'll work that way. For one; I do believe at the range is explicitly stated as one of the exceptions/affirmative defenses for possessing large capacity magazines? Along with being on private property under your control (your home, your property)?

And for two, it's the transportation between that'll get you if it's not following one of the asinine ""guidelines""/affirmative defenses :rolleyes:



Finally, Oregon anti2A thinks gun owners are all criminals, just not yet convicted.
 
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Can't they just grandfather mags and call this whole thing a little less of a travesty?
That's what WA did. Possession is not a crime. They are grandfathered. You can still carry it in your gun. Posses it wherever etc.

In OR possession will be a crime. The only thing they leave us is an affirmative defense for at the range, going to and from range, on our own property, etc. and ownership before effective date. Must be both.
 
Finally, Oregon anti2A thinks gun owners are all criminals, just not yet convicted.
Yep, the very minute you've purchased your first gun (only if with greater than 10 round mags) you've become a violent minded individual, you just haven't committed the crime YET. Isn't that what Minority Report was about?
 
That's what WA did. Possession is not a crime. They are grandfathered. You can still carry it in your gun. Posses it wherever etc.

In OR possession will be a crime. The only thing they leave us is an affirmative defense for at the range, going to and from range, on our own property, etc. and ownership before effective date. Must be both.
And here I thought they all read out of the same stupid playbook. Trump and Bondi can get started whenever they want.
 
I have doubts that it'll work that way. For one; I do believe at the range is explicitly stated as one of the exceptions/affirmative defenses for possessing large capacity magazines?
A lot of people shoot in the BLM forested areas. Can we imagine every gun owner in the State of Oregon trying to go the relatively few sanctioned ranges that allow rifle shooting, etc? That would be wild.
 
A lot of people shoot in the BLM forested areas. Can we imagine every gun owner in the State of Oregon trying to go the relatively few sanctioned ranges that allow rifle shooting, etc? That would be wild.
ARPC ought to offer 75% discounts for memberships or at least offer actual workable range days that's not during workweeks for non-member gun owners to shoot their rifles.....
 
It looks like, if you're "caught" with one and you voluntarily surrender it, this acts as an affirmative defense. I trust that about as much as a Taco Bell fart. 🙄
Taco Bell…vs. a McDonald's fart. Just making fries.

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Bondi is pro red flag. Don't expect much.
And there's still the next Presidential election, of which things most certainly could go completely the other way against 2A.... Not to mention midterm elections in which the House and Senate may well flip back to D majorities, depending on how pissed off the voters are :rolleyes:

So really, we cannot rely on the Supreme Court, nor the Federal DOJ to do the right things until Congress gets turned upside down and changed out for people who are actually pro Constitution... However long that takes .
 
And there's still the next Presidential election, of which things most certainly could go completely the other way against 2A.... Not to mention midterm elections in which the House and Senate may well flip back to D majorities, depending on how pissed off the voters are :rolleyes:

So really, we cannot rely on the Supreme Court, nor the Federal DOJ to do the right things until Congress gets turned upside down and changed out for people who are actually pro Constitution... However long that takes .
Not gunna happen. lol.
 
Bondi is pro red flag. Don't expect much.
I wasn't particularly impressed with Trump's 1st term in 2A regards either but they've vocalized that they're going to start moving on it this time. I think he's still got a bone to pick against the left and he probably sees this as an opportunity to stick it to them
 
I wasn't particularly impressed with Trump's 1st term in 2A regards either but they've vocalized that they're going to start moving on it this time. I think he's still got a bone to pick against the left and he probably sees this as an opportunity to stick it to them
Words are nothing if they don't turn into action.
 
I wasn't particularly impressed with Trump's 1st term in 2A regards either but they've vocalized that they're going to start moving on it this time. I think he's still got a bone to pick against the left and he probably sees this as an opportunity to stick it to them
I'll believe it when I see it until then his track record is ban bump-stocks and take the guns first due process later.
 

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