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Something to keep in mind here, and especially in Oregon!
Fact: OSP often uses "Just Cause" as an excuse to search your car, and they get away with it every time by using one simple trick, " I think I smell Marijuana" they do this all the time, doesn't matter if they see something, or smell something, or just fishing, they are famous for using this as a probable cause and they have never been challenged on it!
Which is weird, of course, because personal MJ use is legal. ORS 811.482 does say use of MJ while driving is a class B traffic violation.

See also https://prodigallaw.com/probable-cause-in-oregon-what-police-can-and-cant-do/ for an interesting article.
 
Do they make briefcases big enough to contain SBRs not taken down/disassembled? :s0140:
Well, let's see. An SBR, by definition, is under 26 inches, so a briefcase with a diagonal measurement about that would work.

Bags are common - see https://www.offgridweb.com/gear/fun-sized-gun-bags-short-barreled-rifle-bag-buyers-guide/ and https://www.pewpewtactical.com/best-discreet-rifle-pistol-bags/

The hard-sides I see are all pretty obviously gun cases. Looks like a case needs to be about 20 inches internally to get a 26 inch diagonal.

Need a folding stock, I think.
 
Well, let's see. An SBR, by definition, is under 26 inches, so a briefcase with a diagonal measurement about that would work.

Bags are common - see https://www.offgridweb.com/gear/fun-sized-gun-bags-short-barreled-rifle-bag-buyers-guide/ and https://www.pewpewtactical.com/best-discreet-rifle-pistol-bags/

The hard-sides I see are all pretty obviously gun cases. Looks like a case needs to be about 20 inches internally to get a 26 inch diagonal.

Need a folding stock, I think.
Here are 3 in one sling bag.
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Braces are the unstock stock. No NFA requirements. I wonder if a "stock" stock is legal on a chassis system, or stabilizer kit. Most of the braces are retarded looking.
Stock on a chassis requires a stamp. But benefit is you can now use a vertical grip.
Or just use a pistol plus non attached universal brace. Because they are separate they store in a small space
 
Well, let's see. An SBR, by definition, is under 26 inches, so a briefcase with a diagonal measurement about that would work.
Or it has a rifled barrel under 16", if it was made as a rifle (shoulder stock and all).

NFA 1934 simply says a Short Barreled Rifle has a shoulder stock and a barrel length under 16".

GCA 1968 says if the rifled barrel is under 16", or the rifle is under 26" overall length, it is a SBR.

also in GCA 1968, a shotgun with a barrel either under 18" (same as NFA 1934), or an overall length under 26", is a SBS.

ATF has defined "under 26" OAL" to be "concealable".

This is why things like the Shockwave, Tac-13, Tac-14 are not considered SBS, they have over 26" OAL.

But AR firearms that didn't start out as rifles? There's a grey area there if they're over 26" OAL (not concealable, ergo not "AOW or SBRs"); however ATF has repeatedly stated a 2nd vertical grip to a "handgun/pistol"= AOW... But.... If it's over 26"? I haven't seen case law on that yet.

With that said ... Last time I measured my 6.5 Grendel firearm, it was just over 26" OAL with a .308 A2 style muzzle device, carbine buffer tube, and 12" barrel. I did Form 1 it into a SBR during the Amnesty period though; so we shall see what comes of all those but my thinking is that it's literally the same deal as doing Form 1s on handguns by adding a shoulder stock to make them SBRs...
 
A lot of people shoot in the BLM forested areas. Can we imagine every gun owner in the State of Oregon trying to go the relatively few sanctioned ranges that allow rifle shooting, etc? That would be wild.
BLM is Federal public land. Can the state enforce their laws on Federal Land? I think they wouldn't have jurisdiction to do so.
 
Most here agree they can.
Only with the written consent of the Chief Law enforcement officer of the County the Federal parcel is located within. As an example, the Sheriff of El Dorado County, in California withdrew that permission several years ago, and specifically stated in writing, that he is denying the federal officers the authority to enforce California laws within those Federal lands, as they would be usurping His Authority in the County.

BTW, he was awarded Law Enforcement Officer of the year by Gun Owners of California ( the state affiliate of Gun Owners of America - GOA) several years ago for standing up for 2A in CA., and is a personal friend of Sam Parades, COO of GOC.
 
BLM is Federal public land. Can the state enforce their laws on Federal Land? I think they wouldn't have jurisdiction to do so.

Interestingly.. it makes no notice of Assimilative Crimes Act applying to it ( 18 USC Section 13),

 
But AR firearms that didn't start out as rifles? There's a grey area there if they're over 26" OAL (not concealable, ergo not "AOW or SBRs"); however ATF has repeatedly stated a 2nd vertical grip to a "handgun/pistol"= AOW... But.... If it's over 26"? I haven't seen case law on that yet.
AOW is defined by not falling under the other definitions and being concealable. So if its not concealable (<26") its not an AOW.

"any weapon or device capable of being concealed on the person from which a shot can be discharged through the energy of an explosive,"
 
AOW is defined by not falling under the other definitions and being concealable. So if its not concealable (<26") its not an AOW.

"any weapon or device capable of being concealed on the person from which a shot can be discharged through the energy of an explosive,"
A-ha but pistols do not have a maximum OAL limit set forth in law, as far as I know. Also part of AOW definitions;

"pistol or revolver having a barrel with a smooth bore designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell, weapons with combination shotgun and rifle barrels 12 inches or more, less than 18 inches in length, from which only a single discharge can be made from either barrel without manual reloading, and shall include any such weapon which may be readily restored to fire. Such term shall not include a pistol or a revolver having a rifled bore, or rifled bores, or weapons designed, made, or intended to be fired from the shoulder and not capable of firing fixed ammunition."


And yet the ATF has stated that "adding a second vertical hand grip to a pistol redesigns it into an AOW"

Edit.

The definition of a pistol in US law does not have any language relating to concealability (like for AOWs), nor OAL restrictions like rifles and shotguns.
 
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A-ha but pistols do not have a maximum OAL limit set forth in law, as far as I know. Also part of AOW definitions;

"pistol or revolver having a barrel with a smooth bore designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell, weapons with combination shotgun and rifle barrels 12 inches or more, less than 18 inches in length, from which only a single discharge can be made from either barrel without manual reloading, and shall include any such weapon which may be readily restored to fire. Such term shall not include a pistol or a revolver having a rifled bore, or rifled bores, or weapons designed, made, or intended to be fired from the shoulder and not capable of firing fixed ammunition."


And yet the ATF has stated that "adding a second vertical hand grip to a pistol redesigns it into an AOW"

Yes, but once you add the second grip and make it so its not "designed to be fired with one hand" it's no longer a pistol, it becomes an AOW if its concealable or a firearm if its not.
 
Yes, but once you add the second grip and make it so its not "designed to be fired with one hand" it's no longer a pistol, it becomes an AOW if its concealable or a firearm if its not.
See my edit.


Nowhere in the definition of a "pistol" does it say it has to be "concealable" or under a certain length.

Edit; this is why I say it is a grey area. The ATF could go either way on the classification of a firearm over 26" OAL, yet not designed to be fired from the shoulder... As being "AOW" if a second grip is attached, or not.
 

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