Oregon Measure 114 litigation

[peteNW503]

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Curious if M114 is making anyone consider leaving Oregon? I was talking to a few co-workers and they said that M114 is one of the many nails in the coffin for them about Oregon (others being the possible transportation tax increase and sex offender registry changes). The Oregon Supreme Court has made pro-2A decisions before but I'm not holding my breath on M114 being overturned by them.

I'm growing concerned about what Oregon's future looks like with it effectively being a one-party state now that the ruling party has a supermajority. The only problem is where to go. Many of the once desirable places like Texas, Utah, and Arizona have become way to expensive for a working class family.

It is a multitude of things, high taxes, unnecessary taxes , unsafe environment, violent liberals , poor infrastructure, homeless issue , drug issue, tack on the 2A rights constantly being infringed. Aside from the Scenery out of the cities what does Oregon really have left to offer? I keep saying it but I want Doge to investigate the state of Oregon because the corruption is out of control and without checks and balances to oversee them Oregon is taking advantage of the tax payer and mismanaging funds. I want them to account for every single tax dollar they take in and give out. I also want to see who the donors are that are investing in these leftest and what their actual agenda is.

 

[Hotdog 7]

While we are functioning in our logical frontal lobes, we also need to remember that we are dealing with narcissists who only seem to function in the emotional fight or flight part of their brains. And they either choose to remain there because it gives them the means and "justification" to virtue signal, or they are truly stupid and believe the media echo chamber. Unfortunately, fear creates the tyrants because, above all, tyrants fear to lose power. The biggest problem IMO is that their unused frontal lobes eventually atrophy and die and they become incapable of recognizing logic let alone understand how to communicate reasonably and logically...so they devolve into vandalism, violence, and rhetoric. And the politicians, while only slightly more mature, devolve into the "screw you" attitude or public temper tantrums.

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis.

 

[Member 45541]

Trying to convince politicians is pointless. You have to talk with the voters who are on the fence or don't understand how the system works that's already in place. I've had a ton of those conversations. Many who now see things differently. Simply cause we talked….

Plus you gotta get the 2A community to actually vote. But like I've said in the past it's easier to sit back and complain.

I understand going to the hearings, writing testimonials, speaking with representatives but that is all going to fall on def ears. Their minds have been made up. Nothing is changing that.

 

[cowboykid8]

Most recent update from Tony:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1910733215587045794

View: https://x.com/TonyAielloJr/status/1910733215587045794

 

[ilikegunspdx]

IMO 3075 will pass, and will make m114 appeal moot. Timing of that would be when it is signed by Kotex plus whatever time period for state to file for court dismissal of current m114 appeal and court to rule on it.

 

[lucusloc]

IMO 3075 will pass, and will make m114 appeal moot. Timing of that would be when it is signed by Kotex plus whatever time period for state to file for court dismissal of current m114 appeal and court to rule on it.

This is so dumb because it raises all the same questions as the prior case. You could substitute the new legislative numbers into all the old arguments and get the same exact case. It should not moot all the prior casework, the courts should just continue the process with the new legislation being put in to question.

 

[Will_White]

IMO 3075 will pass, and will make m114 appeal moot. Timing of that would be when it is signed by Kotex plus whatever time period for state to file for court dismissal of current m114 appeal and court to rule on it.

3075 modifies the language of 115 it doesn't change the facts of the case other then there is now actual timeline and plan for the training requirements. That's up to the lawyers to argue and the black robed lawyers to agree with.

It's wishful thinking given the current court situation but the judges could strike down both in one go.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

This is so dumb because it raises all the same questions as the prior case. You could substitute the new legislative numbers into all the old arguments and get the same exact case. It should not moot all the prior casework, the courts should just continue the process with the new legislation being put in to question.

Pretty sure the bastards had this in mind when making the new law, but I don't know.

 

[arakboss]

Most recent update from Tony:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1910733215587045794

View: https://x.com/TonyAielloJr/status/1910733215587045794

This just goes to show you, nobody is sure when HB3075 will take effect (if it passes). This is going to cause a lot of confusion for retailers.

 

[Will_White]

This just goes to show you, nobody is sure when HB3075 will take effect (if it passes). This is going to cause a lot of confusion for retailers.

Hb3075 says right in the bill when it takes effect, it's next July (at the moment)

 

[1775usmc]

They don't know what they are talking about. They could be correct…. WTF. Haha.

 

[arakboss]

Hb3075 says right in the bill when it takes effect, it's next July (at the moment)

Mag restrictions are immediate upon being signed into law.

Some believed it was married to M114 and would not go into effect before M114 did. The courts haven't addressed HB3075 yet, as far as I know.

 

[Will_White]

Mag restrictions are immediate upon being signed into law.

Some believed it was married to M114 and would not go into effect before M114 did. The courts haven't addressed HB3075 yet, as far as I know.

Mag restrictions come from 114, which even though it hasn't been enforceable has been the law since 2022. No changes there. The question now is if when it gets passed it moots the 114 challenge or if the courts recognize the legislature is trying to side step them and lumps 3075 into the current proceedings as they should. There's no current way to know the answer to that until it gets passed and the lawyers motion for dismissal.

 

[arakboss]

Mag restrictions come from 114, which even though it hasn't been enforceable has been the law since 2022. No changes there. The question now is if when it gets passed it moots the 114 challenge or if the courts recognize the legislature is trying to side step them and lumps 3075 into the current proceedings as they should. There's no current way to know the answer to that until it gets passed and the lawyers motion for dismissal.

Sounds confusing to me. My bet is retailers will be confused as well. Most retailers will likely take the safe route and cut us off until they get clarity from the courts.

 

[3MTA3]

Guessing the Constitution Party because lately they've been all in on "bringing God back"/anti abortion platform to the detriment of everything else.

Also his sister Mary (ex KATU reporter) ran on the Constitution Party ticket.

 

[Will_White]

Sounds confusing to me. My bet is retailers will be confused as well. Most retailers will likely take the safe route and cut us off until they get clarity from the courts.

What's confusing? If nothing changes come the 16th mags over 10 rounds are illegal to purchase even if they were in the state before 2022, but you can keep and carry any mags you have legally (although they might be able to tack it on if you do something stupid and they can prove you bought it after 2022.)

When 3075 passes you can no longer carry with mags over 10 rounds if you can't prove that you bought them before 2022.

Most retailers already don't ship standard capacity magazines to OR.

 

[3MTA3]

For me, his attitude and rhetoric became clearer once I understood that he is not party affiliated, but rather 2nd amendment focused. His commitment is absolute. Some may see him as too harsh, but he is unwavering and quick to call out those that said they would support our rights but fail to do so over and over again.

I've seen him in action, and being Oregon it's always a hostile environment for him, while people on the anti gun side get seated up front and always get the first and last word giving testimony. IMO he is a rock star in that environment where he still manages to get the message across (even though the politicians ignore it). Make no mistake he is a dedicated warrior with no agenda outside of our 2A rights.

 

[1775usmc]

What's confusing? If nothing changes come the 16th mags over 10 rounds are illegal to purchase even if they were in the state before 2022, but you can keep and carry any mags you have legally (although they might be able to tack it on if you do something stupid and they can prove you bought it after 2022.)

When 3075 passes you can no longer carry with mags over 10 rounds if you can't prove that you bought them before 2022.

Most retailers already don't ship standard capacity magazines to OR.

I'm pretty sure the wording states you are not allowed to carry 11+ mags even if your owned them before the "end date."

Doesn't matter if you can prove it or not.

 

[arakboss]

What's confusing? If nothing changes come the 16th mags over 10 rounds are illegal to purchase even if they were in the state before 2022, but you can keep and carry any mags you have legally (although they might be able to tack it on if you do something stupid and they can prove you bought it after 2022.)

When 3075 passes you can no longer carry with mags over 10 rounds if you can't prove that you bought them before 2022.

Most retailers already don't ship standard capacity magazines to OR.

"If nothing changes come the 16th mags over 10 rounds are illegal to purchase even if they were in the state before 2022, but you can keep and carry any mags you have legally (although they might be able to tack it on if you do something stupid and they can prove you bought it after 2022.)"

I believe Measure 114 also prohibited the use of 11+ mags for carry use.

I also believe retailers have been shipping 11+ mags to Oregon.

 

[arakboss]

I'm pretty sure the wording states you are not allowed to carry 11+ mags even if your owned them before the "end date."

Doesn't matter if you can prove it or not.

That is what I understand as well.